Sep 17 2013

Why superheroes & supervillains need each other

Published by at 4:50 pm under Writing Articles

The rivalries between superheroes and supervillains represents the battle between good and evil as a whole. It could be said that, without villains, there would be no heroes. Supervillains provide the opportunity for comic book characters with superpowers to become superheroes, as opposed to just regular everyday super people.

 

But would supervillains even exist without heroes to fight against? The answer is probably not. Heroes tend to either be born with their powers or gain them accidentally. Crime suddenly becomes a difficult way to make a living in whichever city they are based in. The simple solution would be to start a new, crime free, life. But with criminals being criminals, this never happens, leading to them taking often unethical steps to acquire comparable superpowers.

 

If superheroes create supervillains, then supervillains definitely keep superheroes relevant. Take Batman for example, without the Joker, a villain only he could handle, his uses would be limited. He could be replaced by a stronger police force or something to that effect.

 

Villains give their counterparts the chance to shine, heroes are pushed to greater accomplishments. Nobody wants to watch or read about an allpowerful hero who destroys all of their opponents quickly and easily. Having this happen can make the hero come across as a bully. Having a strong villain to test their wits against creates suspense and keeps the reader coming back for more.

 

Facing adversity allows our heroes to grow as characters and truly become superheroes. It is no coincidence that all of the most popular superheroes have become synonymous with their villains. Batman would be nothing without the Joker and Spiderman would be nothing without the Green Goblin. At the same time, the opposite is true.

 

Superheroes really do need their supervillains, and vice-versa.

 

Mark Enright is a comic book enthusiast and writer for GB Posters, a retailer of high quality posters.

116 responses so far

116 Responses to “Why superheroes & supervillains need each other”

  1. Elecon 20 Sep 2013 at 2:14 am

    This is a really great article. It’s nice to have something new on the site, although there’s enough stuff I haven’t read to make it seem like there’s something new every day :). Thanks Mark!

  2. Elricon 21 Sep 2013 at 3:23 pm

    This really does explain the superhero and supervillain relationship that is required in most superhero comics.

  3. Kevin Holsingeron 24 Sep 2013 at 6:28 am

    Good morning, all.

    Since this’ll be my first post, let me start by thanking those responsible for setting up this website. It’s the most thorough “how to write” site I’ve yet found on the Internet.

    As for the article, I’d like to throw out these two items:

    1. In the comic “Wanted”, supervillains managed to exist just fine without the presence of superheroes…well, except for the minor detail that they ended up going to war with (and practically wiping out) each other. Point is, as long as they REALLY don’t want the same thing, and their ambitions are big enough to interfere with the ambitions of the other supervillains, it’s theoretically possible for supervillains to exist without any superheroic interference. Not sure if the reverse works, though. Superheroes aren’t usually the most ambitious bunch, which brings me to…

    2. As for whether one side creates the other, that’s still a tricky one for me. Comics are generally created superhero-first, suggesting the superheroes create the supervillains. On the other hand, most superhero fiction I’ve seen is based on superheroes being reactive, not active. The supervillain does, or tries to do, something…and the story is about the superhero trying to stop/undo this. In that sense, the supervillain creates the superhero.

    Anyway, thanks for the article, and enjoy the rest of your day.

  4. Glamtronon 27 Sep 2013 at 1:50 am

    Thumbs up to those who set up this website..i’m trying to setup a comic about guardians.in the story everyone’s got a guardian.these guardians do manifest physically(there are humanoids and also have special abilities)..but i’m still thinkin of a good reason why not all guardians are able to manifest in spiritual form. Would appreciate any help pls

  5. Glamtronon 27 Sep 2013 at 1:52 am

    Sorry! I mean in physical form

  6. Kevin Holsingeron 27 Sep 2013 at 6:40 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    First thing that comes to mind…

    1. The manifestation of the Guardians is dependent upon the people they’re tied to. The Protecteds, for example, might have to siphon off a little of their life-force to give the Guardians the ability to manifest.

    2. There’s something special about certain Protecteds that allows the Guardians to manifest normally. And if you’re not one of those special Protecteds, and your Guardian tries to manifest, it’ll damage…if not straight-up kill…you. Using the energy model from Point #1, if you don’t have an over-abundance of life-force, a Guardian’s manifestation will drain the little life-force you DO have, making you ill…mentally, physically, or both.

    That’s all I got for now.

  7. Glamtronon 27 Sep 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Thanks alot for thak kevin.another thing i’ve got problem bringing up is what they’ll be fighting for. like what would bring the protagonist and his guardian.

  8. Glamtronon 27 Sep 2013 at 11:41 pm

    What would bring the protagonist and his guardian into the whole scenerio. I thought about doing it that the protagonist uses his guardian to stop others like him who use their own guardians just to gain advantage over people that can’t have their guardians manifest.but i think that should be part of the story and not really the main objective that carries the story on and on. I need help on that part

  9. Kevin Holsingeron 28 Sep 2013 at 7:02 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    Not related to your question, and not a criticism in the slightest, but I just thought I’d note that the Guardians sound like a cross between genies (entity you use to get what you want) and guardian angels (entity meant to protect you).

    Anyway…

    If you strip away the specifics, what you basically have is a story about the powerful exploiting their power over the powerless. The thing I’m liking is that the villains and the common people have the same power, but the people either don’t realize it or can’t (for whatever reason) activate this power. This doesn’t sound like anything I’m already familiar with (you want to offer readers what they can’t get better elsewhere).

    The first thing that’s coming to me is that maybe there are heroes trying to teach people about how to manifest these guardians, and the villains are trying to suppress this information because the more powerful the common people are, the less easily they can be exploited. The heroes’ goal is a world where the largest number of people are using the largest amount of power to create the best possible world. The villains’ goal is a world where the SMALLEST number of people are using the largest amount of power to create the best possible world FOR THEM.

    You might also think about the difference between the heroes and villains being that the villains use their guardians to get things they shouldn’t have (think Faustian bargains with the Devil), while the heroes use their guardians for things that aren’t forbidden (no idea what that might be).

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

  10. Glamtronon 28 Sep 2013 at 11:28 am

    Thanks for bringing up this idea.though the part i’m still a bit puzzled if the protected must have abundant life force that’ll make the guardians manifest(coz i actuall took your previous idea) how would they get the common people to do it.. I’m thinking if there’s anyway to get their life force increased to be able to do it but i’m that clear on that yet

  11. Kevin Holsingeron 29 Sep 2013 at 3:48 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    Well, I admit that, since I didn’t know where you were going with this, my first post wasn’t meshed properly with my second post. But let’s see what I can think of…

    You could go with a variation on natural talent versus earned talent. On rare occasions, you have prodigies who can do amazing things with very little effort involved. The rest of us poor schmucks have to work like crazy to develop that same level of skills. It could be the same thing with life force. Some people could naturally have more than the average person, but in the end everyone can have the same amount.

    The villains could lie about this “natural versus earned” thing, basically trying to convince the common people that there’s no way to become like the prodigies. Either you’re fated to be special (X-Men mutants)…or accidentally made special (Daredevil)…or you’re forever out of luck. To put this in perspective, in the comic “Lex Luthor: Man of Steel”, Lex Luthor hates Superman because Luthor sees himself as the pinnacle of what humanity can actually achieve, whereas Superman represents an unachievable ideal existing beyond humanity’s peak level. Now imagine if Luthor was wrong, and he actually COULD be just like Superman (through training like a wizard or Jedi or something), but didn’t realize it because people like your evil protecteds kept teaching everybody that either fate/chance makes you like Superman, or you’ll never be like that. If a supervillain who pushes himself to the max believes this lie, imagine what it must be like to be the average, lied-to citizens of your fictional world.

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

  12. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 4:00 pm

    ..

  13. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Network..!

  14. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Alright thanks again kevin.. Here’s some of the ideas i’ve got…

  15. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 10:59 pm

    I duno i’m havin problems postin…. Anyway.. On d plot..At first, pple aren’t aware of d G’s existence xcept few peope, and crimes done by villains and thier guardians are thought to be done by humans. Not until the strangeness becomes evident..it is later assumed there might aliens in the city…

  16. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 11:04 pm

    The main character’s(or one of) guardian manifests for the 1st time when he gets in danger. He later learn about d whole thing and the truth about strange cases.

  17. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 11:12 pm

    The character(who’ve always wanted to be some sorta hero),decides to use d guardian to help the commons that are oppressed by the specials.this brings disagreement btw him and his guardian at 1st coz guardians are not some sorta agents(xcept 4 some)that you send errands and again, pokin in other folks business.due to this, the hero gets..

  18. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Himself involved in attacks by villains thus, leavin his guardian no choice but to intervene.. And i wanna do something like..some of the villains havin dis ability, forms a secret criminal organization while some manifest theirs 4 the 1st time when almost caught by cops and later takes advantage of this in their activities

  19. Glamtronon 29 Sep 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Thats before the hero meets other heroes.. And they later reveal to the public(or maybe just to some of their friends and people around them) about the guardians and that each human have a guardian bt dat some can’t manifest physically..bla bla bla.. And they engage in researchs to help the commons activate their ability.. And the villains oppose this… Your views about this and any other ideas please.. Thankyou

  20. Kevin Holsingeron 30 Sep 2013 at 10:34 am

    Good afternoon, Glamtron.

    All righty, here we go…

    “it is later assumed there might aliens in the city”

    Well, if you combine your guardians with the sci-fi trope of the government covering up the presence of extraterrestrials on Earth, you now have a reason why the average person doesn’t know about the guardians.

    Also, whether it realizes this or not, the government is doing the bidding of the villains by covering up the truth.

    Finally, you’ve given the heroes more problems to deal with (good thing), where it’s not just the villains they’re fighting, but their possibly unwitting puppets in the government.

    “this brings disagreement btw him and his guardian at 1st coz guardians are not some sorta agents(xcept 4 some)that you send errands”

    I like that the guardians have minds of their own. First thing that came to mind was that this could be a variation of Spider-Man’s “great power/responsibility” bit, where Protagonist wants to use its guardian for its own, petty purposes, but the guardian will only act to serve a higher purpose. You can actually get a bit of a character arc having Protagonist slowly evolve from a me-focused character to someone more traditionally heroic. It also helps to show the difference between the heroes and the villains to have Protagonist start with the same motivation the villains have…exploit the guardians for gain.

    However, the “greater purpose” thing raises questions as to what the villains are using the guardians for, and why the guardians go along with it. Perhaps some of the villains’ guardians don’t particularly like the greater purpose they’re supposed to serve. Or perhaps they’re using the villains with the ultimate goal of being freed from them, and able to do what they want.

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

  21. Glamtronon 01 Oct 2013 at 3:09 am

    Alright thanks

  22. Glamtronon 01 Oct 2013 at 3:21 am

    Well.. About what villains use their guardian for.. Some villains like jewel thieves, assasins, robbers, stuffs like that, use theirs 4 things like escaping(like eliminating cops chasing after them) while top rich villains(mostly the ones who form some criminal organisation for folks like them )use theirs to bring down competitors(as in firms or business enterprises), or to attain some certain positions of authority,.. Stuffs like that.. Does that make sense??

  23. Kevin Holsingeron 01 Oct 2013 at 10:35 am

    Good afternoon again, Glamtron.

    “Does that make sense??”

    Yep. The only thing I’m not clear on is why the guardians go along with the villains. Are they all on the same page in terms of why they’re here, or do they have different agendas? Are they amoral, and don’t really care whether the humans they’re protecting are heroes/villains/neither? Is there a master of the guardians (Supreme Being, that sort of thing)? Is there more than one such master (one good, one evil)?

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

  24. Glamtronon 01 Oct 2013 at 11:33 am

    Alright.. Being it a villain, or a hero, protection is the top priority of the guardian. And about wether there’s a supreme being.. I once thought of it(infact on of the first things i thought of when i came up with the whole “G” thing)but couldn’t really make sense out of it though. But i don’t really know. Could buy some help there.

  25. Kevin Holsingeron 02 Oct 2013 at 6:48 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    “protection is the top priority of the guardian”

    Okay, then scrap anything I’ve suggested about the guardians being like genies who might want freedom rather than servitude…unless “priority” means “what they’re supposed to do” rather than “what they want to do.”

    Well, let’s see what the options are…

    1. Like I said, the guardians are amoral. On the one hand, it makes them more interesting in that they’re not portrayed in the standard, good/evil model. On the other hand, at some point you’re going to have to explain why the guardians exist in the first place, and I’m not sure how well that’d work without the good/evil model.

    2. Good/evil model. Within this option are several sub-options…

    2a. Supreme Beings of Goodness and Evil, and the guardians are tied to one or the other. If the guardians are angels, you’d have good angels and evil/fallen ones. This is the most conventional model I could see writers using.

    2b. Supreme Beings of Goodness and Evil, and the guardians aren’t tied to either one. One day, you’re serving God, and the next you’re serving Satan.

    2c. One Supreme Being. Some guardians serve the Supreme Being. Remaining guardians serve the wills of their protecteds. If the Supreme Being is good, you can play up the idea of villainous protecteds who think they know more than a god.

    2d. No Supreme Being. This is more exotic, but probably harder to wrap one’s head around. The guardians are just part of the blind, thoughtless, natural order of the universe. They exist for the same reason as gravity, “because.”

    All I got for now. Enjoy the rest of your day.

  26. Glamtronon 03 Oct 2013 at 2:33 am

    Wow wow wow!..pheew!… All amazing options..i’m even confused about which to use. Though 2a and 2d makes more sense to me..lets say there’s d supreme beings and evil plots to eliminate good somthin’ of that sort..i could use no supreme being and maybe the personality of the individual determines d kind of guardian(good/evil).. And about only having only one supreme..(which i’d like to make it a villain) but coming up with an objective 4 that, is kinda hard…

  27. Glamtronon 03 Oct 2013 at 2:42 am

    Explaining their existence may not be that hard. but if there should be only a supreme villain and no supreme hero(supreme being)coming up with a goal would be kinda hard..i’m still thinking of that though..but i’ll need more help on the “no supreme being” like you said.. “this more exotic”.

  28. Kevin Holsingeron 03 Oct 2013 at 9:06 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    About the lack of any Supreme Beings, back when I was in college I briefly got interested in Taoism. IF I’m remembering it properly (apologies if I’m not), instead of there being some sort of divine will to submit yourself to (Christianity, Islam, etc.), there’s just a proper order to the universe. If you follow the Tao/natural order, your life gets better. If you don’t follow the Tao, your life gets worse.

    The reason this is more exotic is because the average writer of the kind of fiction you’re writing would have at least one Supreme Being, not an amoral universe. That doesn’t mean they’re right or wrong to do so. I’m just saying that’s what I’ve observed.

    “i could use no supreme being and maybe the personality of the individual determines d kind of guardian(good/evil)”

    Interesting. My first question would then be: does a guardian already have a moral code, and will only be attracted to humans with the same code? Or are the guardians morally blank slates, and the morality of the human changes the guardian into either a good or evil creature?

    “but if there should be only a supreme villain and no supreme hero(supreme being)coming up with a goal would be kinda hard”

    Not necessarily. If you want some starting points to bounce your ideas off of, standard goals for a large-scale villain include: taking over the world, killing everyone in the world, torturing everyone in the world, remaking the world to your designs, escaping into the world from some sort of paranormal prison, claiming territory that you think belongs to you, etc. You don’t have to go with any of those, of course. I’m just giving you something to start with.

    Enjoy your day.

  29. Glamtronon 04 Oct 2013 at 3:39 am

    Some of your help with my initial ideas(that i scrapped) seem to clash a little..(maybe my ideas wasn’t so bad afterall)i once had this way.. There was a supreme being..a villain who wanted to eliminate humans from the world and guardians too that didn’t want this.. and this made the good guardians and their protecteds target..but i found there were questions i couldn’t answer. 1st, since guardians protect and can’t kill their protecteds..2.i wouldn’t want only the guardians to be the major villains here.. The whole thing got me puzzled..that was why i scrapped out the idea of supreme dudes.

  30. Kevin Holsingeron 04 Oct 2013 at 6:57 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    “There was a supreme being..a villain who wanted to eliminate humans from the world and guardians too that didn’t want this”

    I’m kind of reminded of Christian ideas about fallen angels. Basically, your evil Supreme Being could be a former guardian who couldn’t stand the idea of being inferior to humans (similar to Satan in “Paradise Lost”).

    If you wanted an evil Supreme Being without a good one (that’s the impression I’m getting), you could have the good Supreme Being be the one who established the roles of guardians as our protectors, and then your evil Supreme Being went and killed the good one.

    “1st, since guardians protect and can’t kill their protecteds..”

    Was there supposed to be more to that? I wasn’t following.

    “2.i wouldn’t want only the guardians to be the major villains here”

    Well, if you wanted an evil, Supreme Being, you’ve got that with the above scenario. Or you can just go with the human villains. Or, as I mentioned above, there’s the idea of government puppets trying to cover up the existence of the guardians, not realizing that they’re not exactly making the world a better place by doing so.

    Enjoy your day.

  31. Glamtronon 04 Oct 2013 at 9:38 am

    Thanks alot!!:-)

  32. Glamtronon 04 Oct 2013 at 9:47 am

    You’ve been of much help lately.. I could take it from here.. (if there’s a detective in d story i could name him Detective Holsinger #lol#) but ofcourse i won’t let you alone.. I’ve got another one

  33. Glamtronon 04 Oct 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Just came to my head not long(so i’m gonna need a lotta help).its about a teen(18).i dunno which country to use or if i should just use a fictional one..but he grows up in a local town oppressd by soldiers(unknown soldiers)and these soldiers captured young lads like him from the town.he was among the captured and was taken alongside others to a secret basement on an island..these soldiers want to strenghten their force by having extra hands.. Thus, they do some genetic engineering on these lads on the island giving them some animal traits.his was with a lizard. while he was there locked up with the rest(that they had already engineered, the basement (which was located on a hill) had some technical malfunctions and caught serious fire..he managed to break out and jumped out into the water.the rest couldn’t make it.he was found by a traveller on a yatch, floating on a piece of wood, unconscious.. The traveller saved him and to him to his country.. and he lived with his family.A family of 3..mom dad and a daughter..he wasn’t english so they couldn’t communicate with him.lucky enough the daughter knew how to speak his.. So he lives with them and gradually learns english.. He also pretends he lost his memory and that he only remembered fire.his powers(which he gradually and secretly discovers while with them)are regeneration,strength,agility,and leaping..your views on this front please and any brighter idea.. Before i go into the later part of the story

  34. Kevin Holsingeron 05 Oct 2013 at 9:40 am

    Good afternoon, Glamtron.

    Best of luck on Story 1. As for Story 2…

    1. DC Comics has an island prison called Peña Dura, where the supervillain Bane was created as part of (at least in Batman: The Animated Series) a supersoldier program. Now, I’m not saying you should rip off DC. But you can look into it for inspiration. Same with Marvel’s Wolverine (like your story, there’s a supersoldier program, and a regenerating, animal-like character who escapes from it). Look at their online biographies, and take notes on what does and doesn’t sound interesting.

    2. “lucky enough the daughter knew how to speak his”

    Personally, I’d avoid mentions of luck, since it can come across as TOO lucky. One way to do this would be to have the yacht-traveler’s daughter be familiar with the portion of the world where Protagonist is found. She could be studying abroad (depending on her age), or staying with relatives from the family’s ancestral homeland.

    3. Visit the TVtropes.org page for “super soldier”. That’ll give you a broad sense of what others who’ve played with this concept have come up with.

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

  35. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 7:12 am

    Thanks alot! I did as you said on bane and wolverine’s biography.. it sure did help. And as for the yatch-traveller’s daughter stuff, thanks 4 pointing out that error.i didn’t realize how stupid dat idea was until u corrected me. I’ll check the tvtrope.org. Thanks

  36. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 8:30 am

    And 4 d cont.. He lives with them.learns english,and reads books to help.d daughter then suggest dat he needs some exposure and that she’d want to show him round town. So they went 4 evenin strolls time to time.Some street dudes notice the new fish in town and decides 2 give him some intro(trouble)

  37. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 8:39 am

    At 1st he doesn’t respond.until they went far by gettin his attention through her.this is his 1st time in action in his new city.he brings down 5 dudes incredibly fast.the 6th runs off. The girl becomes shocked in amazement after this.(wonderin what his past was like).little injuries he sustains from this fight heals completly, later.though he stil lives the bandages just to keep his healing ability a secret.(but they’re suprised he got no scars).

  38. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 9:48 am

    Things go normal and he learns diffrnt things like driving, sports stuff etc. Not until he comes back from a stroll with the daughter and meets the parents murdered.(need help here)Views and brighter ideas in this part.

  39. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 9:51 am

    Things go normal and he learns diffrnt things like driving, sports stuff etc. Not until he comes back from a stroll with the daughter and meets the parents murdered.(need help here)Views and brighter ideas in this part…

  40. Kevin Holsingeron 06 Oct 2013 at 11:07 am

    Afternoon again, Glamtron.

    Things that come to mind:

    1. At 18 years old, you could consider giving Protagonist psychological issues due to the horrors he’s been through at such a young age. If you still want him to pretend he doesn’t remember his past, this can make for more interesting conflict as he won’t be able to fix his issues without telling someone what they are first.

    2. “and meets the parents murdered”

    Standard murderer: people connected to Protagonist’s past. Question: how did they track him? Easiest explanation: while he doesn’t remember, Protagonist was implanted with a tracking device while he was being altered. Follow-up: if his creators knew where he was, why didn’t they come after him sooner? First thing that comes to mind is that they’ve monitored him, but left him alone. It could be like how animals are tagged and tracked. Or the villains want to see what kind of person he’ll turn into. Once he attacks the daughter’s attackers, that could be enough to convince them to claim what they feel is their property. This also can create tension as he’s indirectly responsible for the parents’ deaths.

    Or perhaps the villains were behind BOTH the daughter’s attack and parents’ murder. Basically, they’re trying to hurt the people Protagonist cares about until he becomes a killing machine.

    Enjoy your day.

  41. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks kevin.. And, yeah he’s got psychological issues.and these cruel experiences makes him not too sociable.he also has nightmares about his past.And about being hunted, i thought about somthin’ similar too.. But i also thought, this could look more like wolverine’s story..(in X-men origins) And somehow.. Predictable(i’m still looking into it).but how about..

  42. Glamtronon 06 Oct 2013 at 12:40 pm

    He thinks he might be hunted by his past and then decides to find out with two things in mind: 1. finding out if the killers were after him, 2. Avenging the death of the man who saves his life. But later finds out the man might have been involved in a large criminal organisation and did somethin wrong or maybe he happened to cross their path(just saying this, i really need help here) and sticks with mission 2.. Avenging the death of the man who saves his life.doing this, he discovers its a web o folks in a secret organisation and decides to take them down. He works in a warehouse,loading trucks in return for a place to sleep and less than half his salary..(cos d daughter left the city to stay with her relatives 4 safety and he refuses going with her, believing danger might follow him down) he also has a sidekick who’s good at computer hacking.(the 6th guy that ran after bringing down the other 5).. Views, and brighter ideas on this part.

  43. BigDanon 06 Oct 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Wassup!!!

  44. Will Northon 06 Oct 2013 at 6:34 pm

    I have an idea for a superhero named Typhoon, who can control all water, including that inside of humans, making him practically unbeatable vs them. He can blast it, control the temperature of it, and shape things with it, but he cannot create water. Therefore, he needs to be near a source of water to be at his full power. If there is none nearby, he can use the water inside of him, or from others, but if he uses too much, that thing or person dies. A great family man by the name of Evan Daniels, he came home from work to find his house in flames, and his family killed in the blaze. Once a popular guy, he is now consumed for finding who is responsible. Eventually, he finds out a robot created by a ingenious alien Valax burned it by the orders of his maker. Valax rebelled on his planet, home to pacifists, and killed and enslaved most of them. He was attempting to kill Evan, who has an outstanding internal goodness (sort of like the Green Lanterns). One of the aliens from the same species as the evil one, recognizing the potential inside him, grants him the power to control water so he can combat Valax. Now he is on the hunt for Valax, as well as other evil-doers in his home city of Chicago.

    PLEASE RESPOND! Any criticism or praise is welcome, I just want feedback.

  45. B. McKenzieon 06 Oct 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “I have an idea for a superhero named Typhoon, who can control all water, including that inside of humans, making him practically unbeatable vs them.” If he’s virtually invincible against humans, it may be quite difficult for you to challenge him. It may be easier to create suspense/drama if his powers are more limited. (Or, alternately, rely more or less entirely upon superpowered non-humans).



    “Evan Daniels came home from work to find his house in flames, and his family killed in the blaze. Once a popular guy, he is now consumed for finding who is responsible. Eventually, he finds out a robot created by a ingenious alien Valax burned it by the orders of his maker.” I feel like this is bending over backwards to tie the main character’s tragic backstory to the villain. It might be worth looking at Spider-Man or most versions of Batman for examples of stories where the main character’s backstory has little if anything to do with the main villain. If you were REALLY dead-set on having the character’s tragedy tied to the villain, I’d recommend adding some reason the villain targeted the family (e.g. perhaps his wife was an incredible scientist). And/or adding some unusual way the character responds to the tragedy.



    “He was attempting to kill Evan, who has an outstanding internal goodness (sort of like the Green Lanterns). One of the aliens from the same species as the evil one, recognizing the potential inside him, grants him the power to control water so he can combat Valax.” Besides the superpowers, how is this story different than Green Lantern?



    It may help to look at character depth and personality. For example, what are some unusual choices this character would make that 99% of other superheroes wouldn’t do in the same situation?



    Secondarily, are there any unusual choices Valax makes that most other supervillains wouldn’t make in the same situation? Right now, he sounds like a sort of one-dimensionally evil guy with superpowers. Ideally he’d have some combination of an interesting personality, style, and/or interesting goals.

  46. Kevin Holsingeron 07 Oct 2013 at 6:19 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    1. “But later finds out the man might have been involved in a large criminal organization and did somethin wrong”

    Unusual. Good. Ditto on Daughter leaving Protagonist.

    2. Secret organization: if you want to tie it to the super-soldier program, they could be criminals who use military weaponry for non-military gains. But instead of just using guns, planes, and bombs for drug-running, slave trades, etc., they’re using super-soldiers as well.

    3. While I’m here…if you’ve got a super-soldier program on that island of yours, you might want to think about how many governments do this thing. If nothing else, if the war-torn hellhole Protagonist came from has a program, then the U.S. government has one too…unless it WAS the U.S. government’s super-soldier program that made Protagonist.

    Enjoy your day.

  47. Kevin Holsingeron 07 Oct 2013 at 6:32 am

    Good morning, Mr. North.

    First question that comes to my mind: why would Valax care about what happens on Earth? Even with the fastest space-travel sci-fi tech (warp drive, wormholes, etc.), Valax is going out of his way to mess with some person on a DISTANT planet.

    Keep in mind, I’m not attacking your idea. I’m just proposing ways to expand it.

    Enjoy your day.

  48. Will Northon 07 Oct 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Thanks so much for the feedback B Mac and Kevin. You both bring up some very valid points. I could adjust it so that he cannot take water from humans as it is against a moral code the alien who bestowed his powers set. One difference between him and other superheroes is that he has absolutely nothing to lose. I do think perhaps I will get rid of that villain story (it was a bit of a stretch). I do think I’ll keep the way he got his powers (being bestows him powers because of goodness inside him). I think I’ll have the main villian be a evil politician with powers of persuasion. He is secretly in charge of all crime in the city, including most supervillians.

  49. Glamtronon 08 Oct 2013 at 12:31 am

    Thanks kevin.. That means i could do it like, its a large organization involved in many crimes 4 personal gains..they could have connections and stuff… And also hired the mercenary to exploit the protagonist hometown. Would that be good? And secondly any thing you can bring in on why his fosters were murdered that isn’t concerned with him. Thanks

  50. Kevin Holsingeron 08 Oct 2013 at 9:08 am

    Good afternoon, Mr. North.

    “One difference between him and other superheroes is that he has absolutely nothing to lose.”

    There are ways to expand upon this. You could play him as scaring his enemies, because like Joker told Batman in “The Dark Knight”, “You have nothing to threaten me with, nothing to do with all your strength.”

    Also, you can contrast him with other heroes who make emotional attachments, and hence have things to lose. Evan’s advantages include being harder to attack, since he has nobody you can threaten. But his disadvantages include having no teammates to rely on, nor loved ones to satisfy any social desires he has.

    I’m not sure how long you can maintain a superhero who doesn’t form emotional attachments. But I also don’t know how long a story you want to tell.

    Enjoy your day.

  51. Kevin Holsingeron 08 Oct 2013 at 9:09 am

    Good afternoon, Glamtron

    “Would that be good?”

    A criminal organization that doesn’t specialize allows more story-possibilities. For one thing, it can be a single villain that you could have different superheroes fight.

    “And secondly any thing you can bring in on why his fosters were murdered that isn’t concerned with him.”

    Options:

    1. Father was going to blow the whistle on the organization.
    2. Father left the organization (maybe because he has a family now), and now knows too much to be left alive, regardless of whether he even considered being a whistleblower.
    3. Father was part of the organization, and a rival took him out to get his position.
    4. Father was really close to getting the proof needed to arrest at least one key member of the organization.

    Enjoy your day.

  52. Glamtronon 08 Oct 2013 at 10:11 am

    Thanks kevin.. U’ve given just what i needed.. Here’s the later part.. He decides to bring down this organization and attacks the members one by one in order to find out the root of the organization(he creates his outfit to keep his identity).. One day, a man comes to him (on a normal time without any outfit) and tells him he knows about him being the man in the outfit but doesn’t tell him how.. This man gives him a chance of joining his own superteam but the protagonist declines. Ofcourse the man doesn’t give up and helps the protagonist without his request and stil tries to convince him.he agrees later and becomes a member of the team..the team is made up of dudes with abilities or skills in specific weapons.. The protagnist escapes later after discovering the man’s attempts to find out about his powers.. Would it be good if this team hunts him?.. And would like you to lend some ideas on roles of this team that would make it seem good but is used by the man 4 personal gains.. Thanks

  53. Will Northon 09 Oct 2013 at 5:54 am

    I think I’m going to make Typhoon a more tragic character. He is afraid to start relationships because everyone he loves seems to die. I’m thinking I”ll have him allow himself to fall in love with a superheroine as she could protect herself.

  54. Glamtronon 09 Oct 2013 at 7:57 am

    @North.. Will he still be afraid?… Even if she’s a heroine?.. Cause being a heroine doesn’t stops the danger.. 4 me i think he still needs to worry about protecting her especially if the villains are pretty tough cookies.

  55. Kevin Holsingeron 09 Oct 2013 at 9:06 am

    Good afternoon, Mr. North.

    “I think I’m going to make Typhoon a more tragic character.”

    That’d help differentiate him from Green Lantern, to address Mr. McKenzie’s above-point.

    Glamtron beat me to the punch about the superheroine who can defend herself.

    Enjoy your day.

  56. Kevin Holsingeron 09 Oct 2013 at 9:07 am

    Good afternoon, Glamtron.

    “The protagnist escapes later after discovering the man’s attempts to find out about his powers”

    I need clarification: Protagonist escapes from what? Are the man and his team actually evil (not a bad idea)? Did they capture Protagonist?

    “Would it be good if this team hunts him?”

    1. The more the team bonds with Protagonist before hunting him, the more they won’t want to. It could even lead to at least one member of the team defecting. I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t let them bond. I’m just pointing out the consequence of bonding.
    2. IF the team members are all fighters…the more of them there are, the harder things will be for Protagonist if they all attack him at once (the smart thing to do). Also, they’ve likely had more training than Protagonist, who would have only started training with them recently.

    (conversation to be continued)

  57. Kevin Holsingeron 09 Oct 2013 at 9:08 am

    (continuing conversation)

    “And would like you to lend some ideas on roles of this team that would make it seem good but is used by the man 4 personal gains”

    Computer skills (finding computerized information can turn into draining people’s bank accounts)
    Surveillance (can gather information to blackmail people)
    Transport (sneaking past enemy lines could become sneaking into places where weapons of mass destruction are stored)

    Enjoy your day.

  58. Will Northon 09 Oct 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Very true glamtron. Perhaps he will realize she’s still in danger and reluctantly take her on as a partner

  59. ShonenChicoBoyon 09 Oct 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Hey there! Sorry to but in here but I too am suffering from villain/hero problems.

    I guess I should call it a severe case of writer’s block, two weeks and no clue how this should turn out.

    Okay, back story here: there are three realities (planes of existence) in the universe: hell, the mortal world, and a type of Asgard-esque* world where gods exist. (Only this is based on more Asian style myths.) *so called b/c I’m still working on the name… don’t worry about that. 😉

    So a long time ago, the moon goddess fell in love with a human. But he tragically died, and no place was found for his soul. The goddess sacrificed herself to create a dimension for him to live– “splitting the heaven from the earth.” So she’s dead, but he got to live on in the Asgard world place. Thousands of years later, he decides he’s had enough of the stupidity of the humans and fellow gods (who came after him.) He wants to revert back to his original form, turn back time, and revert things to the way they were when he and the moon goddess walked together. (In other words, resurrect the moon goddess somehow, meld the three worlds into one again.)

    Problem with this is that there are demons that exist. Unseen by most mortals, but who come to the human world nonetheless to feast on the souls of the living. If the worlds meld into one, the apocalypse will result. The demons will run free on the face of the earth.

    So that’s the villain’s motivation, and why he needs to be stopped. The problem is figuring out a way for the protagonist to find out about his plot, and a reason for why he, in particular, has to stop him.

    The protagonist is an average teen guy, except for the fact that he really, really wants to be able to see demons. (He can’t, but he knows others who can.) He finally gains that ability, and soon discovers he will now need powers to fight the demons he is able to see. So he also forcibly attains supernatural abilities.

    But now…. what? I have no idea. I sort of want to get him into Asgard, where the world-destroying original god lives, but there is nothing that personally connects the protagonist to the main antagonist. And I’m stumped on ideas. Why would he want to go to Asgard? Only to stop ancient-god-dude? Or should I try and make it more direct to the character himself?

    Besides that, there will also be a minor demon antagonist (well, a rather major demon antagonist) but I’m stumped on how to connect him as well.

    Basically I have a ton of ideas for the antagonists, but no real way to connect them with the protagonist.

    Any and all ideas/suggestions much appreciated.

  60. Glamtronon 10 Oct 2013 at 1:53 am

    Thanks kevin.. 4 those list of ideas i asked 4. And 4 d clarification.. The team ain’t really good.. They take out evil but got personal gains(not good motive..and some of the members ain’t really bad) they are after. And the protagonist knows all too well that if the man finds out about how he got his powers, he would want to use it on others.

  61. Glamtronon 10 Oct 2013 at 5:13 am

    And maybe i could have one o’ the member defect.a female who falls in love with him.. She tracks him later but he tries to stay away from her knowing it’d be risk 4 them both.. She might be of some help to him later. how about that

  62. Glamtronon 10 Oct 2013 at 5:28 am

    @chicoboy. Not really good @ givin advice boh lets see.. I’m confused a bit..how does he gets to see demons..do they still roam about?..coz u said the worlds were splitted. Well, if they still roam, maybe you could have him encounter a good demon(u can have the demon possess him..that could work than “forcibly attaining powers”) that tells him of the antagonist and this demon could also be in need of help by a human to stop the antagonist(maybe he hates the moon goddess) and this teen who always wanted to see demons could be the right tool..the protagonist might not be willing at 1st but after being told of the dangers of the worlds joining, he agrees.. Thats all i got.. Hope it helps.

  63. Kevin Holsingeron 10 Oct 2013 at 6:52 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    “if the man finds out about how he got his powers, he would want to use it on others.”

    Does the man not know he has powers in the first place? Because I’m stuck on how knowing the method of their acquisition changes things. It’d be one thing if Protagonist was a wizard or something, and taught himself his abilities (meaning he could teach others). But he had them forced on him by scientists.

    And if the man doesn’t know about the powers’ existence, why did he hire Protagonist?

    “a female who falls in love with him”

    Works fine for me, but I was under the impression that the rescuer’s daughter was going to be the love interest here. Was that mistaken, or is she more like Lana Lang to Superman, a former girlfriend?

    Enjoy your day.

  64. Kevin Holsingeron 10 Oct 2013 at 6:53 am

    Good morning, ShonenChicoBoy.

    1. I get the self-sacrifice, but does the Moon Goddess not have a soul? Why doesn’t she enter the afterlife with her lover?
    2. “except for the fact that he really, really wants to be able to see demons”

    Why?

    3. Guy Davis wrote/drew a comic called “The Marquis”. It also had a guy who sees/fights demons, and an apocalypse that’ll happen if Hell and Earth fuse. Might want to look into it for inspiration. I should also note that the hero…The Marquis…made a deal with the Devil. If your protagonist is someone who wanted psychic abilities (see demons, etc.) but wasn’t naturally gifted with them, he could’ve made a deal with a demon to give him what the world wouldn’t. He could start as someone who wants abilities because he thinks they’re “cool”, makes a deal with a demon, and then finds out that there’s a reason you shouldn’t mess with demons…sometimes they want to destroy the world and stuff.

    Enjoy your day.

  65. Glamtronon 10 Oct 2013 at 9:11 am

    @kevin holsinger. Sorry i got u confused a bit. Ofcourse the man knew of his powers.. And wanted to know if these powers were a free gift from birth or something else.. And from the protagonist point-of-view, if d cross-species stuff was discovered, they might experiment it on someone(just like they did to him on the island).. And 4 d love interest stuff. I’m happy u were under that impression.. I didn’t want it that predictable(Man, wife, Daughter, protag moves in.. And “yeah i get it”)..though she did love him but things didn’t work out after the murder..coz she left d city and he refused following her

  66. ShonenChicoBoyon 10 Oct 2013 at 9:03 pm

    “Well, if they still roam, maybe you could have him encounter a good demon(u can have the demon possess him..that could work than “forcibly attaining powers”)”

    Whoah, yeah. Interesting that you mentioned this, because that was actually one of my ideas. The price for attaining his powers is that this guy now has a demon possessing him who threatens to consume his soul.

    “that tells him of the antagonist and this demon could also be in need of help by a human to stop the antagonist”

    Which gave me an idea— what if the antagonist needs teen-demon dude to fuse the worlds? (But eh, that doesn’t really work very well with the logistics of the story. Turns him into a “chosen one” where I want him to be more of a “dark avenger.” Not to mention the situations for that to work would seem horribly contrived.)

    —-
    “1. I get the self-sacrifice, but does the Moon Goddess not have a soul? Why doesn’t she enter the afterlife with her lover?”

    Well, back-story, I didn’t see that as relevant but….

    She doesn’t enter the after life because she sacrifices her godness/powers to split the worlds, and she “trades” places with the man– so he has a soul because she gave up her soul. Either that or answer b., which is that gods/esses are 100% soul, so if their “body” is destroyed they enter a state of mu (nothingness.) That or they get reincarnated. Maybe her soul became a part of his (which goes back to anser #1, I suppose)

    2. “except for the fact that he really, really wants to be able to see demons”
    Why?

    Well, I also brushed over this part for the sake of keeping things brief. He’s been able to “sense” ghosts and demons his whole life (sixth sense-esque) and his parents have been dead since he was four. They say it was a car accident but he thinks it was demons.

    It’s sort of universal for a lot of people out there– they believe that there’s something more out there, and they want to find out about it.

    So I guess you could say curiosity. And perhaps he wants a little power of his own?

    “He could start as someone who wants abilities because he thinks they’re “cool”, makes a deal with a demon, and then finds out that there’s a reason you shouldn’t mess with demons…sometimes they want to destroy the world and stuff.”

    Yeah, I had that idea ^^^ and it sounds pretty cool. However, how do I tie that in with the main antagonist?

    I just need to find protag dude’s compelling goal: why he wants x and why main antagonist stands in his way. I’m still running around in circles trying to figure out what “x” is. “Save the world” seems way too… uh, dull and trite. Even though that is essentially the main plot.

  67. Kevin Holsingeron 11 Oct 2013 at 6:48 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    “And from the protagonist point-of-view, if d cross-species stuff was discovered, they might experiment it on someone(just like they did to him on the island)”

    Does the man know anything about how to manipulate DNA? Because even if he knows that the animal-splicing happened, that’s not the same thing as knowing how to do it. The program that created Protagonist would, assuming it’s scientifically possible (which, for the sake of the story, we are), likely take decades between starting and perfecting it.

    And the Lana Lang thing definitely helps to make your story less predictable.

    Enjoy your day.

  68. Kevin Holsingeron 11 Oct 2013 at 6:50 am

    Good morning, ShonenChicoBoy.

    “which is that gods/esses are 100% soul”

    Not that my opinion should be a determining factor, but that’s the easiest one to wrap my head around. The moment I hear people talking about “souls” as separate from the self, I have no idea what they’re talking about (I go with the perspective that the soul is the self, and the body is a shell). But like I said, that’s just me.

    Though I should point out, if Moon Goddess sacrificed herself to create an afterlife, convincing her (in the past) to undo that might not be as easy as the antagonist thinks.

    As for Goal X, if fusing the worlds results in demons roaming about, you could tie that with Glamtron’s above idea. Protagonist is wrestling with a demon that threatens to take him over, and the apocalypse would guarantee that’d happen. So he’s acting out of self-preservation when he tries to stop Antagonist.

    Enjoy your day.

  69. Will Northon 11 Oct 2013 at 11:21 am

    I’ve decided to scrap the whole superheroine girlfriend thing. There is no power I can give her to work well with Typhoon, and I feel she will just hinder things. Besides, then he can still have nothing to lose, and stay faithful to his dead wife. What did you think the villains should be like in Chicago. The main villain is a politician with mind control powers, who has major ties with organized crime. That politician had his house burnt down because of his refusal to follow him. His family was just collateral damage. Because of this, he would rather let a villain escape then potentially kill a bystander (sometimes used by villian to attack Typhoon).

  70. Will Northon 11 Oct 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Just to show the changes I’ve made from your comments, here is a new summarization of Typhoon. Wil Daniels was a pretty average guy, a Construction foreman in Chicago. One day, he came home to see his house up in flames, with his wife ans son dead inside. He was consumed with grief, and spent his days searching for the culprit. ( (The authorities said it was an accident, but Wil knew his family was way too careful to allow a fire to start. He eventually realized it was Dillon Kirkland, a politician whom he opposed. Wil didn’t know it, but the reason he was one of the only people to not support Dillon (who ran Chicago like a King), was that his mental will was strong enough to resist his mind control powers. Wil was given the power to control water by a pacifist mystic being, who gave him the powers to help fight crime. Wil took the name Typhoon, and could shoot water, change it to objects, and control it’s temperature, but only when water was nearby (he could use some from his body, but use too much, and he would die.) Dillon used his mind control powers to force civilians to fight for him against the Typhoon. Dillon also controls most organized crime in Chicago. Wil is a more tragic character, as those he loves tend to die. Dillon also got in peak physical condition, and taught himself martial arts. I don’t know much about the supporting villains yet, though. Wil has nothing to lose, which seperates him from many other superheroes.

  71. Glamtronon 11 Oct 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Thanks kevin.. I’ll scrap that out! Lets xay he decides to leave when he discovers ain’t such a boy-scout afterall.. After goin with them on some evil missions.. And another part of the story.. He always thought he was the only survivor from the island but there was another survivor(dunno which traits to give him)..

  72. Glamtronon 11 Oct 2013 at 4:30 pm

    He grows wild, moves from place to place.. Till he eventually lands in the protag’s city.. He kinda kills people just to get back at cruelties done to him by others(and due to his wild nature from staying alone in the island.. Views please..(and animal trait that might be good 4 him) thanks.

  73. Kevin Holsingeron 12 Oct 2013 at 8:57 am

    Good morning, Mr. North

    Between the crime boss, Chicago, and the hero with nothing to lose, you’re coming up with something reminiscent of the movie “The Untouchables.” As I love this movie, that’s not an insult.

    What I’m seeing here is that Dillon’s advantages are his mind-control and his ability to rely on strength in numbers. I see two disadvantages that Daniels can exploit. First, as a politician, Dillon has to be VERY careful about his image, which being a psychic (“Burn the witch!”) and a mobster put him in jeopardy of ruining. Second, I can easily see some Chicago mobsters wanting to take Dillon out so that they can run the show. Daniels can work along with them (within the limits of his moral code) to take Dillon down.

    Enjoy your day.

  74. Kevin Holsingeron 12 Oct 2013 at 9:01 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    Anyway, as much as I’d like to avoid getting too close to Wolverine, your genetic splicing would allow for Wild Man to be a form of werewolf. This would allow you to play up the “domesticated” (Protagonist) versus “feral” (Wild Man) animal-analogies, should you choose to go that route. It also allows him to have a highly aggressive side. Since this wouldn’t be a traditional werewolf, you could make Wild Man a Hulk-like person who can actually cage his inner beast with emotional control. However, up until this point he’s had no reason to control his emotions, and just lashes out to his heart’s content.

    Enjoy your day.

  75. ShonenChicoBoyon 12 Oct 2013 at 9:23 am

    Thanks Kevin! You’ve really been a big help. (To me and the other guys on here.)

    “if Moon Goddess sacrificed herself to create an afterlife, convincing her (in the past) to undo that might not be as easy as the antagonist thinks.”

    Well, they aren’t going back into the past… but wait! They could! (Plot idea)*

    By this time, I figured darklord-god-guy is so twisted, he doesn’t care about the moon godesses’ original intentions, as he is working from selfish desire.

    *But actually, I already had a “go back in time” aspect for a different part of the plot. In the end, after teen-guy defeats darklord-god-dude, he goes back in time to reverse the events that led to his parents getting killed by demons… sacrificing his own existence in order to give his parents back the happy life they deserved… Without him. He basically becomes consumed with self-hatred over the course of the story, and thinks that he is the problem of everything that’s gone wrong… so that’s why he wants to reverse that. [course, I guess that would lead to a paradox in regards to the defeat of darklord-god-dude… aaaahhh. Maybe he goes back in time twice (once to defeat darklord, second to reverse his personal history) in order to prevent that. My mind is now a pretzel.]

    …but that there^^^ would make it so “self-preservation” isn’t that realistic or compelling of a goal for the protagonist. (Although that really is the goal here, I suppose.)

  76. Glamtronon 12 Oct 2013 at 4:05 pm

    @kevin Yeah. Thanks a whole lot!(4 being my guidian on my guardians concept).. Coz based on the description i gave, he sure sounds like canine, and your suggestions merged in with that.so its “domesticated versus feral” (i like that).. By the way.. Anyone can suggest an outfit.. And name.. 4 my hero(maybe he’ll be kevin-man) lol

  77. Kevin Holsingeron 13 Oct 2013 at 5:04 am

    Morning again, ShonenChicoBoy.

    “By this time, I figured darklord-god-guy is so twisted, he doesn’t care about the moon godesses’ original intentions, as he is working from selfish desire.”

    Good idea.

    As for a way around your paradox, the Doctor Strange comic “Beginnings and Endings” ended with Strange “It’s a Wonderful Life”-ing himself out of his original timeline in order to protect his loved ones from reprisals for him being a superhero. He still exists, however, but is now disconnected from time. If that sounds like it doesn’t work, keep in mind that the whole idea of time travel is based on the premise that you can exit the timeline and still exist. Or if you want, you can argue that once he changes the original timeline, he now has to create a new sub-timeline for himself to explain where he came from (parents, education, etc.)…a concept you can explore at a later time.

    Enjoy your day.

  78. Kevin Holsingeron 13 Oct 2013 at 5:16 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    Costume: First, you have to ask yourself whether you want this story to be so realistic that you’ll have to explain where he gets his costume from, or just bypass that like some superhero fiction writers do. Second, you have to ask yourself how realistic you want the costume to be.

    But for the moment let’s assume that it’s a standard, superhero costume. You listed Protagonist’s abilities as “regeneration,strength,agility,and leaping” Regeneration means your character is going to get damaged a lot. So expect the costume to get shredded (if it’s fabric) or dented/broken (if it’s armored) repeatedly. If it’s armored, it has to be light enough that Protagonist can still use his leaping. No Iron Man suits. Visually speaking, leaping (like flying) works best if you have a cape, trenchcoat, or some sort of clothing that can flow with the character’s movements.

    (conversation to be continued)

  79. Kevin Holsingeron 13 Oct 2013 at 5:24 am

    (continuing conversation)

    As for the character’s name, decide where Protagonist’s homeland is, Wikipedia it to find out what languages are spoken there, and then go with that. It won’t be as familiar as “John Smith”, but should still be familiar enough that your audience won’t struggle to pronounce it (avoid names like the Celtic “Amnchadh”).

    For my writing, Babynames.org.uk is where I usually end up going to get lists of first names to randomly choose from. Though sometimes I’m forced to go elsewhere. As for the surname, usually Googling, “Culture X surname list” will give me good websites to work with.

    Enjoy your day.

  80. Glamtronon 13 Oct 2013 at 9:56 am

    Thanks so much kevin.. I also thought of somethin, like a trenchcoat.. Infact, its been on my mind 4 all the while..(and.. Iron suits??.. Nah!)

  81. Will Northon 13 Oct 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Thanks Kevin, I totally agree with your idea that Typhoon might work with one of the villains once in a while to try to bring down Dillon. Could you help me try to think of more supporting villains? The only unique one I can think of is a former veteran who was was wounded in a war, earning a medal in the process, but losing both his legs and his right arm. He returned to America, only to discover no-one wanted to hire him, and he was broke after poor pay. He then joined the Chicago crime family, to provide some income. He climbed the ladder, and eventually became the boss. He is a real threat because he his arms are basically swiss-army knives full of deadly weapons, although he is now wheel-chair bound.

  82. Glamtronon 13 Oct 2013 at 11:39 pm

    @kevin 4 d costume, well he was just using ordinary masks to hide his identity.. his real costume was provided when he joined that superteam.. Hope that sounds…. Uhhh.. Realistic……. @W.North i really love handicap wicked! Villains.. Reminds me of cap’n silver

  83. Kevin Holsingeron 14 Oct 2013 at 6:41 am

    Good morning, Mr. North.

    Supporting villains…

    Well, since Dillon can control minds, that eliminates the need for a mafia goon whose job is to threaten people to convince them to do what Dillon wants. And Swiss Army Guy sounds like your mafia assassin.

    That still leaves…

    Finances: mind reading or precognition can allow the mob to profit off the stock market and other forms of gambling. Though you have to be careful here, as too much success tends to get you noticed. Also, transmutation can be used to change substances into gold, diamonds, or anything else you’d like to pawn.

    Medicine: Batman: The Animated Series introduced me to the idea of a private mafia doctor, since gunshot wounds have to be reported by normal hospital doctors to the cops. It can also be used on aging mobsters to at least try to cure them of ailments like cancer.

    Transportation: I brought something like this up with Glamtron. If you’re trafficking in illegal goods, teleportation could come in real handy.

    That’s all I got for now. Enjoy your day.

  84. Will Northon 14 Oct 2013 at 6:49 am

    Thanks a lot Kevin, I really like how you connected superpowers to the mob. I really like the transmutation/ alchemy thing, and the teleporting guy could be a tough opponent to handle. Also, I was thinking there could be just a huge guy, built like a brick wall, and almost completely undamagable, as sort of a bouncer, he would pose a real threat.

  85. Evan Walkeron 14 Oct 2013 at 6:51 am

    I have an idea for a superhero that can control all electronics (i.e. He could control cars, control ATMs, control US Missile Command) remotely. He is 19, a college dropout, and a total genius. He’s totally new to the whole superhero thing, and is for now just trying to stop robberies and assaults. He is very laid back, and is still getting used to his powers. I think he is still just hanging out in his parent’s house, and is patrolling the streets at night. I haven’t really thought much beyond that though. Can you guys help me think of names, villians, origins, etc?

  86. Will Northon 14 Oct 2013 at 7:17 am

    Maybe he’s part machine? He could sort of explore his humanity throughout and have that as a main theme. He could search for his creator and stuff.

  87. Kevin Holsingeron 14 Oct 2013 at 8:57 am

    Morning again, Glamtron.

    Oh, there’s nothing wrong with unrealistic costumes. I’m just saying you have to make a decision on whether you want a more or less realistic one. And getting the main costume from the team Protagonist leaves is a logical way to do that.

    Enjoy your day.

  88. Kevin Holsingeron 14 Oct 2013 at 9:37 am

    Good afternoon, Mr. Walker.

    Go to TVtropes.org and look up “technopath”. That’ll give you a glimpse at how other writers have explored this idea.

    Enjoy your day.

  89. Evan Walkeron 14 Oct 2013 at 10:57 am

    I was thinking that my character could anonymously hack electronics of corrupt politicians/ businessman, criminals, bad people, etc. He gets media attention and becomes known as just “The Hacker”. Then maybe he starts just ruining the lives of people he doesn’t like by turning all their electronics against them. Then he would get reined by some sort of special government unit and recruited to work for them. I still need a name for him. Do you think he is too powerful?

  90. Will Northon 14 Oct 2013 at 11:12 am

    For Typhoon, I was thinking, should he have a secret identity? I know he is an older construction foreman. Also, I’ve been trying to flesh out his personality. He is very honorable, and I think he is sarcastic with a dark sense of humor.

  91. Glamtronon 14 Oct 2013 at 11:24 am

    Thanks alot! Kevin… I’m thinking of a part along the storyline where the boss of d superteam that recruited him plans on something 4 his selfish reasons that could end up destroying lots of life nd i don’t want any xplosive stuff and i’m stil thinkn though bt any ideas on wat he’ll benefit.. i though it a gud to hav something that could bring him back to confront hiz old palz.. I need ideas on it.. But not anything “bomb”. Thanks

  92. Kevin Holsingeron 15 Oct 2013 at 3:44 am

    Good morning, Mr. Walker.

    1. I like Hacker getting corrupted by his power, pre-recruitment.
    2. Hacker’s recruitment will freak out other governments who don’t have someone like this at their disposal. You can use that to create enemies for him.
    3. I’m not the guy to come to for superhero names, since I’m struggling with what to do with them in my writing.
    4. Personally, I believe that there’s no such thing as “too powerful”. It’s just harder to work with the more powerful ones.

    Enjoy your day.

  93. Kevin Holsingeron 15 Oct 2013 at 3:48 am

    Good morning, Mr. North.

    1. A secret identity could help shield Typhoon from Dillon’s considerable power. On the other hand, if Typhoon makes himself VERY public, that makes it more awkward for Dillon to just kill him.
    2. 2. No problems that I see with your personality description.

    Enjoy your day.

  94. Kevin Holsingeron 15 Oct 2013 at 8:20 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    Ways to kill without blowing things up: blackout (especially during major heat/cold), nuclear reactor failure, plague, poisoned water supply.

    As for why you’d do this, there’s extortion (do what I want or this keeps happening) or profiting from “saving” people from the problems nobody knows you created (create sickness to profit from sales of the medicine).

    Enjoy your day.

  95. Glamtronon 18 Oct 2013 at 7:54 am

    Thanks kevin and sorry 4 d break.. I think i’ll make the man a renowned doctor with a secret superteam, and he’ll be having the medicine 4 d sickness he causes(water supply could work here right?) medicine only few can afford.. That won’t be bad right?

  96. Will Northon 18 Oct 2013 at 8:30 am

    I think I’ll have Wil Daniels fake his own death, and work just as Typhoon. Maybe then he could struggle to find enough food.

  97. Kevin Holsingeron 18 Oct 2013 at 9:44 am

    Good morning, Glamtron & Mr. North.

    Glamtron…no apologies needed. I just started to wonder whether this comment section had a comment-limit, since all y’all disappeared simultaneously. Both the doctor and the water-attack work fine, by the way.

    Mr. North…the starving superhero thing is definitely something I haven’t heard of before (short of Daredevil in “Born Again”, but that was only one story). Interesting idea.

    Enjoy your day.

  98. Glamtronon 19 Oct 2013 at 4:58 am

    Alright thanks alot! Kevin.. By the way, wil it b okay 2 have him have to accents?.. I mean.. He’s from a non-english speaking place, so even if he learns english, his accent is still going to be a bit different.. But also, he’s going to be easily discovered by that accent if som1 he assaults describes him to the police the next day. And he’d be the no.1 suspect since he’s a stranger. But i wz thinking of making him imitates the normal accent when he’s all masked and his wierd accent on a normal time…. i know this sounds crazy but i wanna know how crazy it sounds. Thanks

  99. Kevin Holsingeron 19 Oct 2013 at 6:06 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    1. Some people learn to speak a language without event a hint of an accent. I’m friends with one.
    2. An accent WOULD help be a way to disguise a voice, if it’s thick enough. The only potential drawback is that it can be difficult to read dialogue with an accent that thick.
    3. Whether to have an accent or not could depend on the combination of where Protagonist is from and whether you can get a good sense of how that accent works (by searching Google or whatever).

    Enjoy your day.

  100. Glamtronon 20 Oct 2013 at 7:02 am

    @kevin Yeah.. Its true.. I’ll just drop that.. And i was also thinking of making his new suit to enable wallclimbing.. But.. I’m not sure i want to add that.. And secondly.. Not that.. Important 4 now though but i’m looking for a backstory 4 someone whose alien-suit gives him superspeed. (thinking of having his own book but He’ll be appearing in the story) thanks

  101. Kevin Holsingeron 20 Oct 2013 at 10:17 am

    Afternoon again, Glamtron.

    1. Wallclimbing: if you’re going to do that, my follow-up would be “Why use a suit to get a power, when everything else came from the supersoldier experiment?” It’s sort of like how Spider-Man gets 99% of his abilities from his spider-bite…but his webbing comes from futuristic technology. I know some people hated the Raimi movies’ organic webshooters, but I for one preferred the streamlining.

    2. Alien-suit: might want to look into Green Lantern for inspiration, since right now that’s the first thing that comes to mind from reading your idea.

    Enjoy your day.

  102. B. McKenzieon 20 Oct 2013 at 11:06 am

    ““Why use a suit to get a power, when everything else came from the supersoldier experiment?” It’s sort of like how Spider-Man gets 99% of his abilities from his spider-bite…but his webbing comes from futuristic technology.” If you include the armor, I think it’d be fine it came with secondary abilities like the ability to climb. However, I feel like it may be a bit redundant to give a character with powers like Captain America (i.e. athleticism and toughness) a powersuit, because with a powersuit I think those powers will be sort of irrelevant.



    “I know some people hated the Raimi movies’ organic webshooters, but I for one preferred the streamlining.” As long as you have a plausible source for a tool or gadget (or some other enhancement/capability outside of the character’s main origin), I think it’s okay to bring those in. For example, in The Taxman Must Die, I wouldn’t have any problem giving an officer on a team like SHIELD access to things like…
    –SWAT gear (like flashbangs and advanced rappelling equipment).
    –Minor physical augmentation, like recoil-suppressing implants.
    –Minor gadgets, like a portable EMP device which can turn off the lights for 3 seconds.
    –Anything they can seize from antagonists/supervillains (very risky. It’s strongly against standard government procedure in TMD, so the agency in question actively conceals this practice).

    The main problem I have with Spider-Man having mechanical web-shooters is that he doesn’t have a believable way of getting them. Parker’s lower-class financial situation is central to the character. It doesn’t feel believable to me that he’d have the ability to equip himself with something that extraordinary. Alternately, if he DOES have the ability to equip himself with something a company would pay tens of millions of dollars for, that completely short-circuits any drama that comes from his supposed financial difficulties.

    Also, making the webshooters organic rather than mechanical frees up a few minutes you’d otherwise use explaining where they come from. That’s one advantage of making all of the character’s capabilities part of the same origin.

  103. James Blairon 20 Oct 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I have an idea for a superhero named Patrick who lives in a future world (maybe 2500), where almost everyone is a superhero or supervillain, due to genetic mutations and natural selection. People without powers are considered beneath powered people. Also, the occupation (hero or villain) is usually determined by the powers. If the person has greater powers (i.e. Superman like) they will basically be guaranteed to be more successful with someone with powers such as elasticity. My character has powers that are typically considered evil, but doesn’t want to be a super villain. He has a couple of friends (one boy, one girl) with usual superpowers. He is also friends with a powerless boy. One of his powered friends (the boy), who was powers that can go either way, is upset by the reluctance of him to become a villain, becomes a villain, and becomes his arch-nemesis. There will probably be a love triangle later on between the MC, his female friend, and his non-powered friend. Unfortunately, I still need help figuring out a generically evil power. Sorry if that was confusing. Does anyone have any feedback?

  104. NatureWitchon 20 Oct 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I can’t come up with a ‘evil’ power that can seem ‘evil’ just like that. Maybe the ‘evilness’ of the powers is dictate of heroes and villains of old times (because powers has to start somewhere) in most part, and when it comes to new powers the ‘evilness’ of the powers are undecided, like for the friend turned archnemesis.

    Otherwise the storyline seems very intresting, especially exactly how you portray the social situation with the powers. Are it going to be like the caste system like in India, or just bigotory?

    I would suggest to put it even further into the future, given natural selection takes time, but it is just a sugestion :).

  105. James Blairon 20 Oct 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Thanks for the reply Nature Witch. I think it’ll be more bigotry, as it is hard to define powers into castes. I agree with putting farther in the future, and I think I’ll do that, but I don’t want to put it so far ahead that it is unrelatable. I do like the idea of the”goodness” of the powers being defined by the first superheroes and super villains, as I want one of the main storylines being Patrick having to overcome his powers being evil, with both internal and external conflict. I forgot to mention earlier, Patrick is a very honorable, nice, guy. Besides debating the virtue of his powers, I don’t know how to differentiate his personality. Any ideas? Also, If I go with your idea about the powers, which do you think should be evil and which should be good? I’d like to have one line dividing it, and not having to state whether each of them are good or bad.

  106. NatureWitchon 21 Oct 2013 at 2:08 am

    I don’t exactly know how to describe it, but the most intresting for me (maybe it is not the cup of tea for everybody) would be to make Patrick very human with all the faults it have, but he feels he is not allowed. He feels like he has to be the paragon of virtue to feel like a hero, that he basicly have to supress himself for stop the supression of the ‘evil’ powers. That kind of pressure would make anyone feel sucky. I don’t know if it could be described as a personality trait, but it would be intresting.

    The line between evil and good powers can be powers that affect the nature and people around it, and powers that affect the body, i.e powers with people shooting fire, or telapathy= bad, powers like superstrength or invisibility= good

  107. Kevin Holsingeron 21 Oct 2013 at 6:18 am

    Good morning, Mr. Blair.

    “almost everyone is a superhero or supervision”

    You might want to think about using robots or something to do non-superhero jobs, as a complex society where almost everyone has the same job (cop, soldier, etc.) wouldn’t normally work.

    Second, if non-powered people are despised, are the superhumans not interested in saving them (standard model of superheroism)?

    Third, if most people are heroes are villains, how much devastation do they cause to the world around them with their fighting?

    “I still need help figuring out a generically evil power”

    There are different approaches one can take to this:

    1. Specific powers are evil (cause pain, control minds, raise the dead, etc.)
    2. No power is itself evil, but there are evil means of acquiring them (vampires and Jedi gain their power by tapping into life-force, but vampires drain people until death)
    3. Scale could be the dividing line. Causing an apple to blow up is fine. Causing a city to blow up is evil.

    Enjoy your day.

  108. B. McKenzieon 21 Oct 2013 at 6:22 am

    James, one thing you could consider would be whether everyone that has superpowers becomes a hero or a villain. If (let’s say) 80%+ of people in a society are law enforcement or criminals, I’d guess that the society would fall apart pretty quickly because there are not enough un-powered people to do everything else. Perhaps a superhero that really screws up gets reassigned to an appropriate civilian job (e.g. a plant control superhero -> agriculture or a telekinetic -> garbage collection). Alternately, maybe some people having second thoughts about superheroics voluntarily go into civilian life. After all, their food has to come from SOMEWHERE, right?



    I’m not sure where all the supervillains are coming from, but one possibility would be that many of them are refusing to comply with a quasi-caste system where apparently the only acceptable job is superhero and the only acceptable type of person is superpowered (and even then it’s a matter of which powers you were born with). I can see a lot of people being very unhappy with this situation (e.g. people being judged because they weren’t born with superpowers or were born with “evil” superpowers, anyone that has life goals besides superpowered brawling, anyone that doesn’t want to be drafted into superheroics, etc).



    Is this supposed to be like a 1984 setup where the society is the enemy? (For example, widespread discrimination, relatively little individual choice in jobs, pretty much everybody that isn’t working as a superhero is a criminal, etc. My initial impression is that this is more of a police state than not).

  109. James Blairon 22 Oct 2013 at 4:46 am

    I was thinking that most superheroes/ villains would work regular jobs with the assist of their powers, (i.e. supers with enhanced mental capacity would be accountants, the strongman would do manual labor, ones that can control fire would be firefighters). This could create tension because certain powers will produce better jobs (i.e. mental vs strength). Only the best heroes would fight crime. I think villains will exist because it is easy to steal when you have an advantage over the other person (lots of crime victims are un-powered people). Then superheroes step in, and the conflict has kept going throughout time. They could also be upset with their job situation (I could have villains all have more physical powers, but that would have some strange battles). I was also thinking there could be two factions, one good, one bad. I’d try to make there be a little gray in between, not just black and white. If I went with this, Patrick could choose the “good”, then discover it is corrupt and fakes some of the attacks by the “bad”. He tries to go to the bad, then discovers they too are without morals. He would be sort of a vigilante in the middle.

  110. Glamtronon 29 Nov 2013 at 3:40 am

    I’ve been out 4 so long.. Feels good to be back.. Just needed some break to clear up some ideas by myself.. I’m still working on my lizard guy.. I’ve brought up some stuffs but still need help.. How would u hunt down a secret organization with members widespread into other normal enterprises and list of members unknown

  111. Glamtronon 29 Nov 2013 at 3:44 am

    I’ve been out 4 so long.. Feels good 2 b back.. Just needed some break to clear up some ideas by myself.. I’m still working on my lizard guy.. I’ve brought up some stuffs but still need help.How would u hunt down a secret organization with members widespread into other normal enterprises and list of members unknown. Feed back please

  112. Kevin Holsingeron 29 Nov 2013 at 7:30 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    Long time, no see. Well, it’s gonna take a bit to recall the story up to this point…but let’s see…

    It’d make things easier if the organization has enemies other than your superhero. I’m not sure how complex of a universe you’re looking to create, but if you’ve got other superheroes, and/or organizations, fighting the villains, that’ll ease the burden on Protagonist.

    The heroes don’t have to necessarily realize whom they’re dealing with, mind you. You can have them slowly put their pieces together and realize it’s the same puzzle. Or you could have the villains smart enough that the heroes never realize whom exactly they’re dealing with, despite having occasional victories against the villains.

    Enjoy your day.

  113. B. McKenzieon 29 Nov 2013 at 9:02 pm

    “How would u hunt down a secret organization with members widespread into other normal enterprises and list of members unknown. Feed back please”

    Some ideas, many of which are illegal and/or some degree of intrusive.

    1. If you know ANY of the members, or have suspects, you can put them under surveillance and/or tap their phones and look for any contacts out of the ordinary.

    2. Break into their home and look for any hidden cell phones (burners) or hidden possessions, etc. In particular, most members of secret organizations would probably NOT be doing criminal business on their primary phone, so finding the second phone would be very helpful for identifying members of their criminal network.

    3. Most low-grade criminals do not do a very good job keeping their mouth shut. Sooner or later, someone will brag about one of their jobs to someone that’s not part of the network. If the hero has a lot of contacts, he may know somebody that hears something. Another possibility would be looking for someone who likes to talk that he thinks is in the organization, and maybe challenging his pride or something. (E.g. if someone on the street claims to a low-ranking member of the organization that some OTHER gang was bragging about doing some crime that the secret organization ACTUALLY did, it’s possible that the member of the organization will dumbly admit to what he did to protect his street credibility).

    4. I’d recommend checking out the “How Heroes Find Crime” article.

  114. Glamtronon 05 Dec 2013 at 4:36 am

    Thanks a whole lot! 4 the help.. @B.mac and my guardian Holsinger^_^… And yes… There’re other heroes battling some of the villains but they have no idea about the secret org. Xcept 4 my main protag.. And i know the cops should play a role here.. But i’m thinking where to fix them.. I mean.. Dunno if it’ll be good to make a detective aware of the organisation, though not knowing most of the members.

  115. Glamtronon 06 Dec 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Need help there

  116. Kevin Holsingeron 07 Dec 2013 at 5:51 am

    Good morning, Glamtron.

    Is there a reason why you think the detective thing is is problematic? Granted, the detective would likely be dealing with a local manifestation of your organization, rather than the whole thing (if memory serves, its scale is pretty big). But what’s your source of hesitation for running with this?

    Anyway, enjoy your day.

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