Aug 04 2019

Captain Marvel Review: 1.5 Stars Out of 5

Published by at 10:46 pm under Writing Articles

1. I don’t know where to start with Captain Marvel. So many things went so wildly wrong that we’d need a presidential commission to get to the bottom of it. It’s like the Chernobyl of superhero movies.

2. If at any point you feel like your action movie would benefit from a character whose main role in-scene is to hold a cat, get back to rewrite.

3. The conflicts are completely toothless. Over the first 10-odd minutes of the movie, the main character conflict is faceless asshats criticizing an unusually robotic protagonist for being too emotional. I would STRONGLY recommend building conflicts that fit your characters and that they can’t easily walk away from. For example, if you want a conflict around a character being too emotional, it would help a lot if they were not the least emotionally engaging superhero ever filmed. Even Groot has more emotional variety than Captain Marvel does, and he’s a tree with a 5 word vocabulary.
Captain Marvel Headshots

In contrast, here’s some stills from Wonder Woman. You can be a serious warrior and still radiate charm and excitement.
Wonder Woman Headshots

Also, Marvel’s SFX teams have done amazing work expressing human emotion in characters that should not be able to support it. I’m particularly fond of the moment where Groot – the character with the softest edges in Guardians – follows up on killing several henchmen in an uncharacteristically brutal way by giving his teammates a childish “aren’t you so proud of me?” smile.
Guardians of the Galaxy Headshots

3.1. The “young lady” exchange. Talos refers to Maria as a “young lady” (which is out of voice/character for him and comes out of nowhere), Maria threatens to kick his ass, and Talos backs off immediately. If you must have this exchange, it’d probably be better to commit to the conflict. Talos, a soldier on a desperate mission to allow what’s left of his people to flee a genocide, has tragic and brutal material to work with. Dropping some perspective on Maria would probably be more interesting than backing down instantly. E.g. MARIA: “If you call me ‘young lady’ again, I will kick your ass.” TALOS: “I’ve had to bury towns of murdered Skrulls. I don’t have time for etiquette lessons, and if you threaten me again, I’ll be burying you too.” If a character backs off of a conflict instantly, it’s probably not worth having. Don’t waste your time firing blanks.

3.2. Relatedly, if a teammate casually threatens violence against someone they’ve known for less than 30 minutes, that should not pass without some sort of consequence or reaction (e.g. the other person might take it really badly, particularly if they are an alien soldier fighting off a genocide… or maybe they mouth off at each other and they both react really well to how fiery the other person is).

3.3. I think this exchange makes Maria look unlikable. She’s threatening violence against an alien soldier that isn’t attempting to offend her, and being an alien makes it immediately obvious he might not have the cultural background to understand that he is offending her. This is a more forceful response than I think any Marvel protagonist has given to any insulting banter, particularly from another protagonist, and it doesn’t give Talos anything interesting to respond to. In contrast, when Rocket gets called a “trash panda”, even the gun-toting raccoon in question responds by walking away with a relatively tame “You son of a…”.

3.4. In the first Guardians movie, Rocket gets some truly vicious insults (e.g. “vermin”, “rodent”, being compared to a species that Drax grills on skewers, etc) and eventually nearly breaks down in tears. Losing your cool that much could be dangerous for protagonist likability, but emotional variety saves him. By the point this happens, Rocket’s already established himself as a badass, and he’s been more collected in similar situations (e.g. “not helping!” when insulted while during a critical moment of a jailbreak). In contrast, when Maria snaps over “young lady”, she hasn’t had an opportunity to establish that this is out of character for her, nor has she handled similar situations in a more typically heroic way. I think she comes across looking clownish here.

3.5. Nick Fury reports their location to his boss. This is a major breach of trust and, in a better movie, it’d be a good opportunity for major conflict between the two. There should have been consequences more serious than Marvel taking his communicator away. At the very least, when she sees Agent Coulsen lie to his team rather than give SHIELD their location, she might say something to Coulsen that knocks Fury (e.g. “you’re the only SHIELD agent I’ve met that hasn’t tried betraying me to the Skrulls – are you sure you’re not available for this mission?”).

3.6. The sexist conflict is just awful. 1) It’s extremely hard to respond to demographic bullying (e.g. “You know why they call it a cockpit?”) in a way that’s interesting. I think a best case scenario would be having Carol respond with an offbeat quip like “Because you’re a dick.” This is mildly funny and definitely a better response than nothing but it doesn’t fix the gaping structural problem that a “I hate you because you’re a (demographic)” conflict probably doesn’t have enough depth to it and won’t create as many opportunities for interesting dialogue or interesting choices as a more promising conflict would. In this case, the sexist characters didn’t contribute to any good scenes, they didn’t get any good lines, and they didn’t even have enough depth to get names. 2) It tends to reduce characters to demographic boxes rather than their choices and reduces their agency over their story. Ironically, X-Men (a series which hinges on persecution) tends to handle this pretty well – e.g. CIA humans and CIA mutants distrust each other in First Class, which is a more flexible and promising setup than “mutants can’t be CIA agents.” Also, the mutual distrust generally has more substance than “I hate you because you’re a mutant.”

3.7. There’s no conflicts between the Maria and Captain Marvel in the now of the story, e.g. no major disagreements about tactical approaches or courses of action or even whether Maria should be on the mission. The closest they come is a brief exchange where Maria complains that Captain Marvel won a race 5 years ago by taking a shortcut. It’s a non-issue and doesn’t contribute to character or plot development. Weak sauce. The conflicts between Captain Marvel and Nick Fury (who briefly betrays her) and Talos (her ex-enemy) are also surprisingly weak. In particular, if ever there were a teammate that shouldn’t be excited to relegate his goals 100% to the main character, Talos is a general facing a genocide while allied to a human that’s notably unexcited about him and at best a newcomer to his struggle. (And, also, until like a week ago she was assisting the extermination campaign).

4. The scene introducing the real Lawson is shockingly boring. Before this scene, we’ve learned that Lawson is the character Carol most respects, setting high expectations for Lawson. Compare to the crazy hype for Tony Stark early in Iron Man, which Tony Stark actually delivers on. When we first see the actual Lawson, she’s incredibly bland and the scene runs like a first draft. Adding insult to injury: repeating lines that were mediocre the first time makes them worse, and there’s no reason in scene to repeat the lines.

SKRULL TECHNICIAN: Hang on, I think I’ve got it.
LAWSON: Goose likes you. She typically doesn’t take to people. (If your character’s first line is about what her cat likes, get back to rewrite).
CAROL: Early start to your morning?
LAWSON: Late night, actually. I can’t sleep when there’s work to do. Sound familiar?
CAROL: Flying your plane never feels like work.
LAWSON: Wonderful view, isn’t it?
CAROL: I prefer the view from up there.
LAWSON: You’ll get there soon enough, ace.
(scene starts to rewind)
LAWSON: Sound familiar?
TALOS: Wait, wait, wait! That’s her. Get her back.
LAWSON: Wonderful view, isn’t it?
CAROL: I prefer the view from up there.
LAWSON: You’ll get there soon enough, ace.
TALOS: What’s that on her shirt? I couldn’t read it.
LAWSON: Wonderful view, isn’t it?
CAROL: I prefer the view from up there.
TALOS, to Carol: Focus.
CAROL: Excuse me?
TALOS: Look down.
TALOS, reading. Pegasus. Dr. Wendy Lawson. That’s her.
CAROL: Do you hear that, too? (This is a notably weak reaction to hearing voices and getting weirded out by conversations repeating themselves).
TALOS: Do we have her location?
TALOS: Now track Lawson until we find the energy signature.

4.1. There’s about four minutes of Talos navigating his way through her memories. She’s a fighter pilot, she drives a go-kart recklessly, male cadets think she’s too emotional (Christ, not this again), she plays pool and sings in a bar, and she finds an alien ship. This is a lot of time to spend without making an impact. I’d suggest focusing on 1-2 of these and making them count. One concept for this scene that would have created more interesting opportunities for interaction between Marvel and Talos would be an interrogation scene where the two talk as her memories play out on Skrull monitors. Having her react to her memories and/or offer any insight beyond what we’re seeing and/or any sort of conflict with Talos is more promising than having her unconscious.

4.2. If you’d ever want your main character unconscious during a scene focused on her backstory, you probably don’t have the right main character, or the right backstory.

4.3. If you’d ever want your main character unconscious during a scene where he/she could be talking to the main villain (or a character who appears to be), you probably don’t have the right concept for Talos, either. If the only purpose of this scene is to point Talos and/or Carol in the direction of Earth and establish the engine Macguffin, you have better opportunities than watching a pilot and alien scientist share unusually banal pleasantries. If it really is the case that Talos and Lawson cannot combine for more interesting scenes than this, I’d recommend overhauling and/or scrapping them.

5. Dialogue was off in a lot of places. Some examples:

  • Every line addressed to or about the cat. E.g. “Who’s a good kitty huh? Huh Goose? Yes, that’s right. Who’s a good kitty Goose? You’re a good kitty.” I cannot imagine what raw footage the editors were looking at that made it look like this was the most promising option.
  • “Then dig deeper. Lawson is our link to the light-speed engine. And everything we’re after…” When you’re having two characters talk about what they already know, I’d recommend sounding smoother than “As you know, Bob, this is what we already know.” In this case, I think something like “Then dig deeper. Find me the engine” would have sounded more natural.
  • “Where’s Pegasus?” “That’s classified. Not unlike the file I’ve started on you.” This response is awkward and disjointed, and a missed opportunity to bring Fury into the scene in a more interesting way.
  • Maria: “The Air Force still wasn’t letting women fly combat, so testing Lawson’s planes was our only shot at doing something that mattered.” 1) This superiority complex towards support teammates is ironic now that she’s a support teammate that matters much less to Captain Marvel’s mission than support staff do to USAF operations. 2) In a better movie, this would probably be used to establish conflict or that there’s something lacking about the character. E.g. in Cars*, a movie that needs children to quickly recognize that the main character is being an asshole, having the protagonist call out his teammates as beneath him or “your work doesn’t matter” would definitely work. If you’re not trying to establish the character as an asshole, I’d suggest having her see these other careers as not hard enough or not exciting enough rather than they don’t matter enough.
    *This is probably the first time Cars has ever come to mind as a positive example. Cars is terrible, but it’s not this terrible.
  • There are few if any moments where Talos feels believable as a military commander, and his phrasing is all over the place (e.g. “jazz hands”, “bad trip”, “young lady”, “science guy”). First, anyone stiff/formal enough to say “young lady” probably shouldn’t be using “science guy” or “bad trip.” Second, he’s slotted into a Drax-like “can’t get it” role like not knowing what a cat is, but none of this attempted humor lands at all and there’s no reason to have it. He’s a mind-melding shapeshifter, how can he not get it? If your character knows what “jazz hands” are, how does he not know what a cat is? In contrast, Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy is very consistently literal-minded and the character’s dry portrayal makes it effective. E.g. “Nothing goes over my head. (pause) My reflexes are too fast.” This is a lot better than “What’s a cat?”, or any other Talos line, for that matter.
  • The “young lady” exchange.
  • Every line including the word “emotion” or “emotional”.
  • “All life on Earth is carbon-based, not this guy. Whatever he runs on, it’s not on the periodic table.” If you’re going to rip someone off (or “pay homage” or whatever this is), I’d suggest a better movie than Man of Steel. PS: A completely emotionless protagonist with no good dialogue didn’t work there, either.
  • A Kree soldier mentions to Carol that it was disturbing seeing a shapeshifter take his appearance. CAROL: “Maybe if you were more attractive it would be less disturbing.” SOLDIER: “You think you’re funny, but I’m not laughing.” Carol’s one-liner is alright, but there was an opportunity here for a better followup, if the story hadn’t handicapped itself using a “No emotion/humor allowed” planet.
  • “Name a detail so bizarre a Skrull could never fabricate it.” “I can’t eat toast that’s cut diagonally. But you didn’t need that, did you?” “No, but I enjoyed it.” This is probably the first good exchange in the movie. 40 minutes in. PS: It’d be cool if the first hour had a well-executed exchange that developed character or plot points more important than toast preference.

6. Side characters are grossly unable to contribute what they need to. None of the side-characters contribute anything useful that Captain Marvel doesn’t already have, e.g. no distinctive capabilities or skill sets (e.g. a shapeshifter that doesn’t shapeshift, a pilot on a team whose main character already is a pilot, and a gunman that spends more time talking to a cat than shooting). If they all stayed home, it’d be hard to notice the difference. It’s not like they’re contributing to interesting dialogue or charming moments, either.

6.1. Lawson the superscientist makes her scenes worse. She has no good lines at any point and her entire first scene is low-stakes chatting with no bearing on the plot. She doesn’t contribute anything besides a superpowered engine. In contrast, most logistical support characters (particularly Marvel super-scientists) create interesting conversations with their leads. E.g. Iron Man and Rocket are in a league of their own, and I’d also recommend checking out Beast in First Class, Shuri in Black Panther, Pym in the Ant-Man series, and Edna in Incredibles. It’s hard to imagine any of these characters ever having a scene as boring as what we got from Lawson.

6.2. Nick Fury has a great car chase. After that, he gets a lot of screentime but doesn’t actually contribute anything. I think Incredibles’ approach to Frozone and Black Panther’s approach to the CIA pilot was more effective here – their screentime is brief and impactful. They’re never useless. Nick Fury should either have been written out after Marvel enters the military base or been given a reason to stay around. As it is, he gets beat up by Talos, he’s reduced to holding a cat in the final mission, he loses an eye to a cat, he sings a Marvelettes song, and he helps with dishes. I don’t think I can point to any moment post-car-chase where Fury makes a scene more interesting, and he bends over backwards to make them worse. In particular, the baby talk between him and the cat is just embarrassing. Rereading the transcript, I feel so bad for Samuel L. Jackson. This is worse than getting eaten first in Deep Blue Sea.

6.3. Maria and secondarily Monica. First, Maria doesn’t have any capabilities Captain Marvel doesn’t, which makes her mostly useless in a movie where Captain Marvel is doing 99%+ of the work. If you need her around, I’d suggest giving her some unique ability to contribute (e.g. better at piloting a particular plane or a better scientist or whatever). Splitting the team up for some missions would also help — for example, a secondary objective might involve handling explosives, taking down a shield generator, creating a diversion, adding air support, providing an escape route, etc). As it is, the only thing Maria adds that Captain Marvel doesn’t already have is the ability to gush about how amazing Captain Marvel is, and God does she use it. “You are Carol Danvers. You are the woman on that black box risking her life to do the right thing. My best friend… who supported me as a mother, and a pilot when no one else did. You’re smart and funny, and a huge pain in the ass. And you are the most powerful person I knew, way before you could shoot fire from your fist. You hear me? You hear me?” Across the board, 20% of her lines (14 out of 70) cover how impressive Carol is or how much Carol means to her. In more effective movies, there’s ups and downs in team cooperation (e.g. check out friction between teammates in Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers, and Into the Spider-Verse). Protagonists usually have more setbacks and have to work harder to prove themselves. PS: If you absolutely do need to have someone deliver gushing praise to Captain Marvel, it’d probably sound less bad coming from the grade-schooler than a hardened fighter pilot, and preferably after the villain is defeated (less damage to pacing).
PS: I would guess that this movie had more lines praising the main character than Lincoln or Gandhi. It’s a distinctive approach for an action movie, particularly one with a main character this meh. I think it makes more sense in the opening of Iron Man because a character whose signature flaw is massive ego problems and/or overconfidence NEEDS to be highly competent to avoid massive likability issues. Also, Iron Man is extraordinarily charming from minute 1.

6.4. Neither Captain Marvel nor her side characters have any charm or chemistry together. An effective side-cast could have helped somewhat. I think the two biggest issues here are the lack of conflict within the team and Carol’s lack of personality. (E.g. the side-antagonists she shared with Guardians of the Galaxy had much better scenes with Quill in GOTG than with Captain Marvel, and let’s not even talk about the huge downgrade she gave Nick Fury).

7. The movie is unusually heavy on unnecessary audience cues. Don’t call out your viewers as idiots, and don’t waste time.

  • “TORFA: KREE BORDER PLANET.” This comes seconds after a scene mentioning that they were going on a mission to this planet.
  • “SUPREME INTELLIGENCE – AI LEADER OF KREE CIVILIZATION” – this could have been handled more smoothly in-scene.
  • There’s no need to have Fury’s boss Keller reveal himself to the audience as a Skrull by caressing the corpse. First, doing this with humans in the room makes him look careless/incompetent, which reduces the threat level. Second, the later scene in the elevator covers this better, and I don’t think there’s any plot need to reveal this before then.
  • “That’s no MiG”. What gave it away, the lasers? Or the spaceflight?
  • “She’s trying to break out.”
  • The heroes see a steaming cup of coffee on a ship they expect to be abandoned. “We’re not alone.” I think that’s obvious to anyone older than 8. Having a character silently alert other characters to the coffee should be enough, and maybe Captain Marvel charges up her photon blaster to cue kid viewers that the threat level is higher than it was a few seconds ago.
  • “It’s firing behind it” – a close-up shot on rear-mounted lasers and Captain Marvel dodging incoming fire would probably cover this more smoothly.
  • “Species: Flerken. Threat: High.” Talos panicked after seeing the flerken, so it should be pretty obvious that the cat is dangerous.
  • “I’m Just A Girl” – If you’re going for 1990s songs that are uncreatively on-the-nose for Captain Marvel, I’d suggest Wannabe, I Don’t Have the Heart, and Frozen.

8. Scene timing: There’s an early scene with Carol and the Supreme Intelligence, but they’re probably not able to have an interesting scene at this point. They don’t really have anything to talk about besides the backstory with the Skrulls and making Carol completely emotionless, neither one of which is particularly promising. The backstory with the Skrull war is common knowledge in-setting, so we might be able to handle this more smoothly in a news blurb about a Skrull imposter getting arrested or an update in the war on the Skrulls. Alternately, it might be possible to handle this in the briefing scene for the mission to Torfa.

9. If you’re creating an alien species, I’d recommend that they either all look human or all look non-human, especially if your plot involves a human taken in by aliens. Yon-Rogg looks 100% human, and we shouldn’t have to guess whether he’s a human or not. (PS: He’s not).

9.1. Having Lawson as a Kree rather than a Skrull creates some plot holes. It doesn’t make much sense that the Kree, a warrior species with no shapeshifting capabilities, would have a critical scientist work as a lone infiltrator on a remote world where they have no other presence. It’d be in character for the Skrull, though, and it’d make sense why a shapeshifting Skrull would look exactly like a human. This feels like they were originally planning for Lawson as a Skrull but switched her to a Kree without thinking it through.

10. Captain Marvel takes place a few years after Desert Storm. If Maria is willing to threaten violence over “young lady”, I’m guessing she’s a civilian now because she got court-martialled the first time she met a Saudi. My personal canon is that she caused somebody’s son to draw a weapon to protect the tribal honor based on what he heard third-hand from somebody’s cousin who separately has a blood feud going against Western forces for backing a military commander from a family that stole his great-grandfather’s herd three generations ago. And it’s still a better love story than Twilight.

11. The challenge level is unusually low. When the threats are this weak, it considerably reduces opportunities for suspense and excitement.

  • No lasting consequences to any setbacks. For example, in classic Star Wars, losing a fight might mean a major injury like losing a hand, a major character death like Obi-Wan, or even the destruction of a planet. In Captain Marvel, losing a fight means being involuntarily transported to the next scene, but they don’t even take your equipment. These aren’t even low stakes, they’re no stakes. PS: If you ever have a prisoner who can shoot a laser through your ship, don’t let her keep anything that would let her survive in space.
  • All it takes Carol to win the fight with the Supreme Intelligence is to remember getting back up after falling off a bike, and pulling off her Kree control device. I think this neuters what should be a climactic moment. I’d recommend checking out each confrontation between Luke and Darth Vader for a classically effective progression of a hero gradually overcoming a threatening villain. More recently, I love how Dr. Strange handled a protagonist taking on a far superior foe (cleverly forcing a draw).
  • For most characters, falling out of a plane would be a major setback. No worries, she discovers she can fly. Unless you’re writing a Saturday morning cartoon, this is probably the least interesting option available for overcoming this setback.
  • Having discovered she can fly a few seconds ago, she can fly well enough to catch a salvo of warheads and a fleet of interceptors from wrecking Earth. This is not as bad as Kylo Ren losing to someone holding a lightsaber for the first time* but it’s on the spectrum.
    *I think?
  • She blasts her way into a secure facility rather than let Fury trick their way inside. This is a boldly reckless move that obviously should create some problems (e.g. the base might go on alert, Fury might become convinced she’s an unreliable partner, some records they came for might get destroyed, etc). Instead, the photon blaster actually turns out to be just a much faster way of getting through a door than picking the lock. What the hell sort of maximum-security facility is this?
  • She may or may not be able to defeat her ex-boss in melee combat. No worries, she lasers him. This shoots a potentially interesting opportunity for melee combat in the face.
  • She isn’t shown having any unusual technical background (either before or after she gets taken in by aliens), but she’s able to engineer a payphone to make an intergalactic phone call using parts she got from Radio Shack. That seems like a Tony Stark-grade technical problem, something that requires skills amazing enough that they shouldn’t be coming out of nowhere. (Tony Stark would probably also get a longer scene showing his first attempts and how it gradually gets amazing over time).
  • When they need to run from the military base, there’s a plane fueled and ready to fly. Of course there is. (Very thoughtfully, USAF/NASA armed it as well, just in case we need live rounds in a test plane, I guess)*.
  • *In case we need to shoot down space MiGs.

  • She’s able to build an intergalactic pager.
  • Virtually everybody she interacts with for more than 10 lines regards her as singularly impressive. In particular, Maria’s gushing praise for her is embarrassing and Fury naming the Avengers after somebody that hadn’t been important enough to mention before is odd.

12. Carol’s demeanor and bearing does not feel believable for a fighter pilot. Even before the Kree capture her, she’s unusually restrained in a position that’s iconically daring and bold. If your character has a personality that’s at odds with her life goals, there might be some quality opportunities there for conflict and/or personality development. At it is, she’d probably be more believable as an intelligence analyst or doctor or an accountant. E.g. if she is supposed to be unusually gutsy (like her go-kart wreck suggests), maybe give her some bold missteps along the way? As it is the closest she comes to an unusually bold move is blasting a door into a highly secure section of a military base, but the story plays it like she is taking a stealthy approach (no guards are alerted, they’re able to quietly find the records they are looking for, etc). Her boldness never really creates problems for her, which I think is a major missed opportunity. (Similarly, Maria’s threat to kick Talos’ ass is a bold move that creates no problems and is instantly forgotten). PS: if you have a main character that plays it this safe, I’d suggest against naming any characters (particularly a cat) after a Top Gun character.

12.1. In her climactic moment, she’s challenged to melee combat (by someone that’s previously bested her in melee combat) and she instead blasts him with a laser. Blasting him is entirely reasonable, but she attempts to glorify taking the easier route as “I don’t need to prove myself to you” and it’s miserably pretentious. If someone tries to kill you, you don’t need to explain why you shot them — e.g. you know Han Solo or Indiana Jones wouldn’t have wasted any time there, and they’d have been helluva more charming, maybe with a self-explanatory smile. PS: What sort of test pilot passes on an opportunity to push themselves to their limits?

12.2. Military scenes: Compare “That’s not a MiG” to this amazing scene where Ms. Incredible pilots a plane under enemy fire. This Incredibles scene is extremely tense and one of the most judicious and effective uses of professional jargon I’ve ever seen. The acting, the dialogue and the fight choreography create danger and suspense completely missing from the Captain Marvel equivalent. Secondarily, there are some really cool things going on here like subtly creating a backstory for Ms. Incredible without ever explicitly saying that she was a military pilot. I’d much rather have 4 minutes of this scene than 4 minutes of Carol being generically rejected as a stockcar racer/cadet/pilot/whatever. It advances a major central conflict, it moves the characters forward in the plot, and it’s balls-to-the-wall exciting.
PS: The Incredibles scene uses anti-missile chaff without saying what it does. Having the plane barrel engage in evasive maneuvers as it’s firing the chaff makes it easier to see that the chaff is protection against the missiles. (Also, having the chaff angle towards the missiles is a good call – this gives viewers more information about what the chaff’s purpose is than a more passive drop would have). If a rated-G audience can figure out chaff, PG-13 filmmakers should have had more confidence in their audience’s ability to figure out what steaming coffee on an abandoned ship means, and in their own ability to provide context clues to help them.

12.3. One unusual plus to aerial combat for writers is that it’s one of the only kinds of combat where combatants have good reasons to talk during the fight and can sound natural doing so. If you’ve got an opportunity like that, you can do a lot better than “That’s not a MiG.”

13. Comparing Incredibles 1 to Captain Marvel, I believe that Ms. Incredible comes across as much more competent and active than Captain Marvel, even though they come from similar backgrounds. Some potential causes here:

  • Ms. Incredible is treated as an individual in-story (e.g. no overt demographic discrimination), and the conflicts she has with other characters are more three-dimensional than anything Captain Marvel gets. E.g. contrast her conflict with Bob over how his desire to be a superhero causes them to have to relocate their family vs. Maria’s conflict between being a single parent and wanting to accompany Captain Marvel on a suicide mission. Maria almost instantly ditches her kid for a very high-risk mission because her kid tells her it’d be setting a bad example otherwise. First, caving like this is probably out of character for Maria (too soft, too squishy). 2) There are no consequences to this decision, it’s pretty gutless. One possible consequence would be that the person/people she needs to ask as potential parental surrogates are not 100% cooperative (e.g. an ex-husband that already thinks she’s not the most responsible parent). Another possible consequence would be that Maria might handle the mission a bit differently than a non-parent would, e.g. backing out on a particularly dangerous phase of the mission that she wouldn’t have as a younger pilot. (Bob not making this adjustment 100% is one of the main conflicts of the first half of Incredibles).
  • The dialogue and acting/directing in Incredibles are much better. When I’m seeing a scene executed by very good actors, I know I could never do that even if I had the script in front of me, and a great actor would make me feel silly for trying. There are very few Marvel superheroes that get scenes that are so leaden that I wonder if one of the stuntmen or lighting staff* on-set could do a better job acting than the actors actually did, and besides Hawkeye and Peter Parker all of them are in Captain Marvel. In particular, Talos’ scenes are so mediocre that I wonder if I could do better. (I am confident that I wouldn’t be much worse, and if any data analyst is feeling bold enough to publicly make a claim like that, the acting/direction is probably not movie-ready).
    *It’s not like the movie needed them for lighting. Look at how oppressively dark and washed-out the first 20-30 minutes are.
  • Incredibles’ stakes are real and the adversaries are more competent – in particular, I’d recommend checking out the scene where Rohan and his fleet watch helplessly as they get wrecked by someone that learned how to fly 30 seconds ago. In comparison, Syndrome and his agents learn and adapt quickly to heroic tactics and they’re never a joke.

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25 Responses to “Captain Marvel Review: 1.5 Stars Out of 5”

  1. Milan Dareon 13 Aug 2019 at 3:42 am

    I struggled to be the right audience for this movie. I enjoyed the costumes, the Skrulls, the big space battle. I felt it was a good prequel to Endgame (in the order I saw it) but it took so long to get there with so few real challenges. I agree completely with you about that, and the toast.

    I sort of agree with your point about demographics. When common opinions are accepted as rules that’s understandably frustrating. If you’re seeing a pattern then it has become a repetitive plot point. Rules are also more about the setting than the characters. If the characters were richer in other ways, if conflict led to change (for individuals if not of the rules) then perhaps the stereotypical elements would be less overt.

    I’m intrigued that you never called Captain Marvel a “Mary Sue”. Perhaps I should try to apply one of those tests to her.

    I accepted the movie as an informative backstory for Endgame. However my wife found it incredibly boring and gave up. I won’t be introducing her to Silmarillion.

  2. B. McKenzieon 13 Aug 2019 at 7:00 pm

    “I’m intrigued that you never called Captain Marvel a ‘Mary Sue’.” I’m not sure how useful the concept of Mary Sues is to writing better. General principles that might be useful: keep your characters challenged, maintain some degree of social tension rather than having other characters fawn over how impressive they are*, and hold them accountable for their decisions, especially decisions that should blow up in their face. For example, if your character is bold enough to blast the door on a secure facility, without some sort of followup the character’s boldness will feel very empty. In this case there was virtually no challenge, no villainous counterplay worth noting, no major negative consequences to any decisions, etc. The movie feels like a first draft, and not a good one.

    I’m guessing other reviewers have already beaten me by months to anything I might say about Captain Marvel as a Mary Sue, so I’ll just leave it at this: the mechanic that the Supreme Intelligence appears as the person the speaker most adores/respects is ENTIRELY a bust. 1) It declares that Lawson is supposed to be a notable character, creating expectations she is too bland to deliver on. 2) They’ll probably use this mechanic to have ANOTHER character declare how impressive/inspiring they find Marvel. Ick. (In general, if you want to impress audiences with a character, I’d recommend having that character do amazing things and/or struggle amazingly rather than having other characters say how amazing he/she is). Secondarily, it requires some silliness with the Kree refusing to talk about who they saw. I’d guess that this restriction is only in place to hide that Yogg respects and adores Carol more than anyone else in the galaxy, like everyone else in Captain Marvel, even her antagonists.

    Separately, I was underwhelmed by the character’s lack of emotions*, but it probably wouldn’t have been a deal-breaker if anything else had worked. E.g. The Matrix made great use of a very tense, high-vulnerability setting and excellent action scenes and the first movie is extremely strong even though Neo’s emotional depth and charm are mediocre. In particular, The Matrix gets unusually strong value out of characters being outgunned by their adversaries, and for most of the movie the protagonists run desperately from virtually unstoppable killing machines. Over the course of Captain Marvel, I don’t think she has a more pressing setback than crashing a go-kart. It’s hard to think of a comparison to the Matrix that doesn’t make Captain Marvel sound silly. “Oh, you remember that scene where Morpheus’ main job was holding a cat? Me neither, that would suck.”

    *Bafflingly it kept coming up in conversation that other characters thought she was too emotional**. I feel the writers do not have a great grasp of how the character comes across (she’s exceptionally unemotional). Also, to any viewers that found this character relatively emotional, I’d love to hear your perspective, lemme know.

    **Suggestion: any exchange which uses the word “emotional” is probably awful. You can do a hell of a lot more with emotional conflict than “You’re being too emotional/not emotional enough”. E.g. in Game of Thrones I’d recommend checking out Robb Stark’s decision to break a marriage engagement with a powerful ally in favor of a woman that he falls in love with that can’t give him an army. Bonus points: he understands that the woman he falls in love with is lying about her background, but he doesn’t follow this clue to avert the impending disaster (she’s probably an enemy agent sent to sabotage his previous marriage alliance). The Captain Marvel movie would have handled a conversation about his choice of bride like “Quit being so emotional, Robb!”, whereas in Game of Thrones, Robb’s mother tries to impress upon him that the good of the realm depends on oaths and alliances, and breaking his marriage oath to an important ally will cause major problems down the road. In Game of Marvel, this “major problem down the road” would probably last 3 seconds of blaster fire — Captain Marvel doesn’t NEED allies, she certainly doesn’t need romance, and it’s probably in her contract that she can’t suffer any meaningful setback. In Game of Thrones, it’s the Red Wedding, which gets 100+ people murdered, including several main characters (Robb most of all).

  3. Kenon 14 Aug 2019 at 5:43 pm

    I did not find Captain Marvel to be as emotionless as most people say she is. Although this is probably because I have Autism, so I’m not really the best at seeing these types of things. There are some moments where I saw her show emotion, such as when she was on Earth and cracking jokes.

    How do you spot when characters lack emotions?

  4. B. McKenzieon 15 Aug 2019 at 4:50 am

    Hi, Ken! “How do you spot when characters lack emotions?” I think it’s easiest to spot emotion in scenes where the character is doing/saying things that few other characters would do in the same place.

    For example, when Guardians of the Galaxy introduces us to adult Peter Quill, he’s walking through a foreboding, wrecked city and he’s searching for something. For the first two minutes of this scene, the character acts seriously, like we’d expect from someone exploring an unknown and dangerous location. Two minutes in, he starts acting very unusually, turning on “Come and Get Your Love” and dancing through a scene that is still grim and dangerous. Introducing a character like this is a bold choice (e.g. a character acting much less serious than the audience expects could come across as a joke), but the movie makes this work with great acting and camera work.

    Now let’s look at the first scene of Captain Marvel, up to the fight.

    First, she’s in a wreck and she starts out dazed without much of a visible reaction beyond that. This is a very passive introduction, especially compared to Peter Quill marching/dancing into an obviously dangerous ruined city. Then she gets shot with no reaction (very passive).

    Now she wakes up, it was just a flashback. Nothing’s actually happening in scene, and the character not having any visible emotions makes it feel even more sedate/comatose. PS: If most characters snapped out of a flashback, they’d snap into actually doing something (like they were having a daydream while engaged in a distinctive activity) so that they have more to do when they wake out of it. Having her wake into a scene where nothing is happening is unusual, and not very effective.

    She’s looking out at the city. I’m reading this expression as either “Bored” or “Not impressed.” Incidentally, I had a similar expression for most of this movie.

    Then we cut to her waking up her instructor/boss Yogg in the middle of the night. I’m reading this expression as “exasperated”/”why are you waking me up in the middle of the night”. Note that he’s not even human and he’s made more of an attempt to convey human emotion in the first two seconds on-screen than the lead has in the first 60. And this is a character that repeatedly claims she’s too emotional!

    The protagonist makes her first distinctive move, asking her instructor to fight. In any other movie, with any other actor, this would be a great moment for the actor to put some expression into this unusual moment. Here, nothing.

    This is a pretty good encapsulation of the first 1.5 minutes: all the wind is knocked out of it.

    In contrast, GOTG’s opening is quite engaging. Screenshots don’t do it justice (e.g. no music or movement), so keeping in mind that you should see the scene in real time to appreciate it, here are some observations.

    The first we see of adult Peter, he’s landing on an alien world. The movie doesn’t spell this out, but he’s clearly searching for something (based on the way he uses a device which is clearly a location tool). This is generally a smoother approach to providing information than what we saw from Captain Marvel (e.g. heavy-handed exposition/narration/dialogue).

    He sees several scenes unfold of everyday life in what was once a city. He pauses on a girl playing with her dog. This is a little bit spooky and charming, and it subtly shows us that this guy isn’t as soulless as his helmet makes him look.

    He enters the ruins, takes off his helmet, and puts on headphones.

    The music comes on and he goes all-out on dancing.

    This title drop is a BOLD declaration that this is not a vanilla superhero story. He’s going to do cool things and have fun doing them. (Also, showing someone dancing at a great distance is an unexpectedly cool way to show off the setting, and his movements are so exaggerated that they’re discernible at a great distance).

    Space lizards are tearing into each other.

    He semi-playfully kicks away a space lizard.

    He sees a space lizard up close. I love this shocked/grossed out expression.

    He’s got some major swagger on him, even when there’s no one around to impress. I found this really charming. (By the way, this would have looked goofy and off-putting if there had been another character in-scene — it’s more authentic when he’s alone than trying to show off to someone).

    He marches up to the vault door. The scenery does a good job establishing that this next room is more important, which is helpful because there’s no words to set viewer expectations. In context, it’s pretty clear that he’s here searching for an artifact of some sort — there’s no other reason someone would come to this ruin — and the filmmakers are confident that you’ll be able to follow along easily. (In contrast, Captain Marvel’s filmmakers probably would have included dialogue covering where Quill was going, what he was looking for, some forgettable chatter about what he’s seeing in-scene, and something like “There’s the vault” or on-screen exposition like “THESSALONIAN VAULT — RESTING PLACE OF THE INFINITY STONE” or whatever, either because they think the viewers are very dumb or because they couldn’t come up with anything better).

  5. B. McKenzieon 15 Aug 2019 at 5:17 pm

    Editing Captain Marvel: if you are dead-set on opening with a flashback, I’d cut immediately from the flashback to the judo fight. 1) This avoids some oddly lame moments completely devoid of fun, interest, plot relevance, or anything else you might want from your scenes. 2) It might make the judo fight feel more impactful. 3) It gives the instructor something more substantive to criticize (that she’s distracted) than supposedly being too emotional, which is a completely ridiculous criticism for Carol. 4) You might be able to do something with a juxtaposition of a flashback to her getting shot (by Sogg, we later find out) to her having a mostly good-natured spar with him. 5) Given his familiarity with her real backstory, he might give us some development suggesting that he has some idea what she’s daydreaming about. Maybe he claims that he understands her because warriors are alike, while in actuality he knows that she’s preoccupied about almost getting murdered because he was the one that almost murdered her.

    Alternately, perhaps we cut from the flashback to the military briefing in advance of their mission. In the original version of this scene, Carol had pretty much no role and listened as others explained what was happening. In this case, Yogg might challenge her to explain what she understands of the mission because he’s annoyed that she was daydreaming during the briefing.

    If you HAD to use the flashback, I think either of these approaches would be more promising. However, I don’t think the flashback is the best introduction to the character, because she doesn’t remember herself doing anything interesting. So, the flashback mostly isn’t accurate, right? Maybe she remembers it being a lot more interesting than it actually was? Maybe she remembers desperately fighting off a Skrull after getting shot to make an escape where she meets Yogg and has a touching interaction with him?

  6. Cat-Vacuumer Supremeon 26 Aug 2019 at 4:01 am

    It really confused me that at the end she was flying in space without her helmet on, since every other time she was in a situation where humans can’t breathe she put on her helmet or it went up automatically.

  7. B. McKenzieon 31 Aug 2019 at 11:26 pm

    “It really confused me that at the end she was flying in space without her helmet on, since every other time she was in a situation where humans can’t breathe she put on her helmet or it went up automatically.” Hollywood hates helmets — they make it harder for actors to convey emotion. In this case, the helmet also looks goofy as hell (almost as bad as Peter Quill’s), so I’m not opposed to the Quill approach where his helmet gets introduced briefly and then pretty much forgotten, even in fight scenes where a helmet would be desirable. The flip side of this: if the director/writer are willing to compromise suspension of disbelief to allow the actor to go with no helmet, the direction/acting would probably benefit from a wider variety of facial expressions.

  8. Xbimpyzon 17 Oct 2019 at 11:56 am

    Here’s the problem with emotion for this live action genre. The staff thinks it can do the power of friendship and love and be yourself seen most used in anime and video games but here it just ends up in cliched dialogue. There’s no physical action taken to explain it.

    All talk no show. CM didn’t even try.

    1 more thing. Power levels and power origins… Oh oh oh I have a lot to say

  9. B. McKenzieon 19 Oct 2019 at 10:05 am

    “The staff thinks it can do the power of friendship…” I think the friendship angle would be more impactful if the friend(s) were actually contributing something useful to the plot and/or had capabilities the main character didn’t and/or were remotely interesting. It worked a hell of a lot better in Guardians of the Galaxy, classic Star Wars, Wonder Woman, Deadpool, Chronicle, Into the Spider-Verse, etc. If we were doing classic Star Wars a la Captain Marvel, Han Solo and Obi Wan would be brought on a team where the team lead is a better pilot with a better ship and the best shooter and best lightsaber user in the galaxy. Han either loses his blaster or the enemies are blasterproof because he’s not allowed to be useful.

    Maybe you’re thinking, “But isn’t that basically C-3PO?” Yeah, being around Captain Marvel tends to make people turn into C3PO.

  10. Aaron Woodburnon 21 Jul 2020 at 12:20 pm

    Man….lots of dudes upset on here about a movie about feminism. I wonder why that is.

  11. Some British Nerdon 21 Jul 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Aaron, nobody here is “upset about a movie about feminism”. They’re criticising a movie that, quite frankly, isn’t very good. It’s poorly written, the lead actress is unconvincing in her role, there’s very little character development if any, and none of the conflict is satisfying because the protagonist seems to be incapable of making a bad decision and every character that isn’t Captain Marvel is either incompetent, written out of the movie before they can have any real impact, or both. This is a website about writing, and as such the conversations here are about the writing of different stories, where they fail or succeed, how they can be improved, and how writers can improve their own stories. It goes without saying that you’re allowed to enjoy the movie and to disagree with the criticism here, because everybody thinks differently and looks for different things in their entertainment, but don’t belittle other people’s opinions as complaining about something or other just because they disagree with you, especially not when those opinions are over the quality of a movie.

  12. BMon 22 Jul 2020 at 3:34 pm

    “Man….lots of dudes upset on here about a movie about feminism. I wonder why that is.” No need to wonder! It wasn’t as well written as most other movies. Contrast to Wonder Woman, Hunger Games, Alien/s, etc. These movies have great execution and are extremely entertaining. The upcoming Wanda/Vision show is excellent, except what we’ve seen of the SWORD characters. In the more average space, even Elektra was okay for an antihero movie, and based on the scenes we’ve seen of Black Widow so far, I’m confident she could lead a good movie. (She’s badass, she’s charming, and her capabilities are higher-stakes and more interesting than a low-risk Superman setup). Captain Marvel has never been anything but awful. I don’t know if she can lead a good scene — she hasn’t so far.

    Captain Marvel’s action scenes are also surprisingly weak. E.g. check out the two dogfight scenes from Captain Marvel and Incredibles.

    –Captain Marvel’s scene is a flashback, which usually reduces the stakes because there won’t be any meaningful consequences that haven’t already played out.
    –Neither character in Captain Marvel’s scene says anything interesting, and Captain Marvel doesn’t even try. She’s narrating things we can easily see. If you watched the scene on mute it wouldn’t be much worse (and might even be better). In contrast, Holly’s dialogue drives the Incredibles scene, and other characters interact with her dialogue in a much more interesting way than a scientist in the back seat offering not-very-useful exposition during a fight scene. (There are many ways to execute CM’s dialogue better, but among other things, the characters might have had more to work with if the scientist quickly says that it’s aliens trying to kill them, which might at least give Captain Marvel something to react to).
    –Ms. Incredible is a commanding presence that completely makes this scene. Captain Marvel is at best dutiful and at worst obedient. It’s weird for a fighter pilot to cheerfully take directions from anyone, but especially a back seat scientist (“Yes, ma’am”). I think it’d be more intuitive if the fighter pilot brusquely handles the dogfight her own way, because being obedient usually isn’t as interesting as doing your own thing as soon as an emergency hits. Also, I think it undermines her as a trailblazing pilot if she’s happy to do what other people tell her.
    –There is zero conflict between Captain Marvel and the scientist. If someone springs on you that she’s hiding out from aliens trying to kill her, and you’re a gutsy pilot that first finds out about this when the aliens try to kill you too, you might have some choice observations, such as ANYTHING. If nothing else, this could be used for humor and/or to establish that she’s pretty calm to start, e.g. (“When were you going to mention the aliens trying to kill you?” “It felt like a good time.”)
    –The first 20 seconds of the Captain Marvel scene are poorly constructed (an expressionless actor staring at a computer playing an audio file, and the audio isn’t any more interesting than than the visual). This is a strange way to set up an action scene.
    Everybody has better action scenes than Captain Marvel. I’d loosely include Downton Abbey, and it’s mostly about aristocratic ladies screwed by 1910s social norms and their scheming servants. Incidentally, if you’re into works that handle social themes better than “You know why they call it a cockpit?”, most dramas put more time/effort into doing this well than most action movies.

  13. B. McKenzieon 22 Jul 2020 at 4:33 pm

    Lame concept for a kung fu scene: a main character loses a judo spar with her instructor without consequences and it never comes up again. This is not very promising, particularly in the first ten minutes.

    Higher stakes concept for a kung fu scene in another story: in a police state, an undercover cop slyly interferes with a government raid on a meeting of some outlawed democratic organization to allow some participants to escape. When his boss/kung fu instructor asks him what happened, he lies that the resistance learned he was a cop, set him on fire, and then defeated him in a kung fu brawl shortly before the raid started. His boss/kung fu instructor suspects that he’s working with the democrats and calls him to a very public performance review. 100+ cops watch as the boss declares that the protagonist must be colluding with the democrats because a trained fighter could only lose against a lesser fighter if it was deliberate. The main character retorts that he was on fire at the time* he was taken down. The boss, a kung fu master, tests this idea by setting himself on fire and dueling the protagonist. So, we also have a kung fu test between the main character and a villainous boss, but the stakes are far higher and it actually matters who wins.

    *Let’s assume the democrats have a fire barrel for destroying incriminating evidence. Shortly before the police raid starts, the undercover protagonist sets his shirt on fire using the barrel and then uses the barrel to delay police entry from the front while the democrats escape out another exit. The police arriving on the scene see a flaming protagonist knocked out in a hand-to-hand fight but they are obstructed enough by the fire that they are not able to catch the democrats.

    Some other ways to have a kung fu test matter:
    —the test is a performance review (or an evaluation for a promotion or a school admission) and the protagonist does badly
    —-the protagonist or boss is new to the team and the boss does a kung fu spar to get a first look at the protagonist.
    —-somebody else’s performance is being evaluated, e.g. the protagonist is asked to try a fight in conditions under which a friend/coworker failed. The boss thinks the coworker is a poor fighter and wants to show that the fight was very winnable. (Alternately, perhaps the protagonist disliked the coworker, and the boss is pulling strings to show that the fight was NOT winnable).
    –The main character can’t sleep and has a fight to pass the time. Nah, just kidding, still awful.

  14. B. McKenzieon 22 Sep 2020 at 5:20 pm

    In Captain Marvel, before crash-landing her plane, Carol doesn’t know *anything* about what’s going on. She suspects nothing about her secretly-alien boss or the alien technology they’re working on. Even after the aliens show up, she doesn’t know that the aliens have come for the engine or why, or really anything accurate about the central story. She gets thrust into the central plot by attempting to destroy the engine, which fortuitously gives her superpowers while missing everyone else that’s within 20 feet of the exploding engine. I’d like to contrast to a setup where the main character actually knows something about what’s going on and is able to act accordingly.

    –The main character can have some heads-up about the alien situation. Perhaps the scientist lets something slip after drinking too much or perhaps Carol (who is supposedly bold and later turns out to be a master engineer) opens up the scientist’s notes because a test pilot with a pulse might be interested in the technology she’s testing. Carol doesn’t need to believe the alien angle right away but it’ll give her more room to be decisive when aliens suddenly show up.

    –I would give Carol a harder dilemma with the engine. The plane crash badly damages the engine and it looks like it’s about to explode. Her dying boss begs her to destroy the engine — keeping it out of the enemy’s hands is that important. The bad guys correctly point out its explosion would release enough energy to render Earth uninhabitable. The enemy aliens assume all hope is lost and begin to evacuate. They offer her a ride. She does something crazy, like running towards the malfunctioning engine in a crazy-ass attempt to save the planet. The engine is destroyed in the effort, but she reduces the force of the detonation enough that only she is seriously injured. She absorbs enough energy to suffer something like acute radiation sickness from the engine’s energy. The aliens take her aboard (either unconscious or with her consent depending on the tone of the relationship).

    –Carol doesn’t lose her memories (it’d be an unnecessary complication that doesn’t go anywhere interesting). Carol is more active and probably more promising if she chooses to cooperate with the bad guys on her own. They really do have the best chance of saving her life, and at this point the only evidence that they’re evil comes from an obviously suspect source who was secretly developing potentially world-ending technology on Earth and lied to Carol from day 1. She has non-idiotic reasons to willingly go with them. She may even have non-idiotic reasons to enlist in their military. 1) They appear to be sympathetic victims of Skrull murder-sprees. 2) They’re unusually receptive to military women. 3) If she misreads the Skrulls as the villains, volunteering with the Kree might seem like an honorable volunteer effort. (US servicemembers volunteering for foreign militaries is not completely unprecedented).

  15. Kenon 23 Sep 2020 at 8:52 am

    Two years ago you emailed me this: “Into The Past: this movie is set in the ~1940s and a male character who is about to die falsely admits to infidelity so that his fiance will allow herself to marry someone else.”

    Did you mean “Out of the Past” because I googled “Into The Past” and there is no movie by that name. Also, a similar scene described in your email happened in “Out of the Past”.

  16. BMon 23 Sep 2020 at 8:56 am

    Yes, Out of the Past. It’s a 1947 noir, and one of the best crime movies of that generation.

  17. Byakuyaon 01 Feb 2021 at 1:38 pm

    Good review. Captain Marvel was the definition of boring and bland. I typically like a lot of the Marvel movies, even if some weren’t as good as they could have been(Endgame for example.). But Captain Marvel was so uninteresting and made me fall asleep.

    Brie Larson was so one note in the role. Her controversial remarks aside, I know she’s done better work and here she was like a plank of wood in terms of her performance. At least every MCU character have a distinct personality. Sure, some may rely on quips, Tony Stark in say Avengers, but they can be summed up in a sentence or two.

    Carol Danvers I can’t even do that for her. The stoic persona, Black Panther has that and Chadwick Boseman(RIP) did it so much better while having charisma.

    Overall, Carol Danvers hasn’t had the best reputation in her more recent comics and the movie didn’t do her any service.

    Personally, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t have used Carol Danvers. I would have chosen Monica Rambeau. Monica is an overall much better character. She is a police officer in the comics with the rank of lieutenant.

    And that would have stood out because was it really necessary to have yet another solider in the MCU? Sure, you can make the characters distinct. look at Rhodey and Falcon in the MCU? But having a cop would have provided a unique perspective. Especially someone living in New Orleans.

    Plus, Monica’s power set is much more unique than Carol’s. Being able to turn into different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum is awesome. It could have allowed for some cool bits of spectacle.

    Heck, my pitch would have been to have Captain Marvel be a 90s buddy cop movie set in New Orleans. Have Monica investigate a mysterious company like Roxxon alongside Coulson or Fury and she becomes Captain Marvel that way. That would have been a lot more unique than the generic 90s setting which didn’t do anything outside being quirky.

    In short, I give the movie a solid 6 to 5.5/10. Disappointing.

  18. B. McKenzieon 04 Feb 2021 at 12:52 am

    “And that would have stood out because was it really necessary to have yet another soldier in the MCU? Sure, you can make the characters distinct. look at Rhodey and Falcon in the MCU?” Captain Marvel’s military scenes were unusually lame. (I don’t think any of the human airmen she interacts with get names, and none of the Kree soldiers she interacts with deserve one).

    But I think that a superhero movie’s version of war (or military life besides) is usually going to be more vanilla and forgettable than an actual war/military movie. Captain America kind of goes through the paces and Captain Marvel kind of tries to be Top Gun but can’t make either the combat or the noncombat elements interesting. The original Wonder Woman movie is the only standout I can think of. It has goals for military scenes besides pointless set pieces, and the WWI setting is a lot fresher than WWII and modern setups, and I think it did a much better job allocating time/space appropriately among its cast than most DC movies (which tend to spend a lot more time on government/military characters than warranted, even when these characters have little plot impact and few interesting qualities). I think Aqua Man also made a reasonable effort incorporating the Atlantean militaries but outside of this movie, generally the appearance of Atlantis’ military is a huge red flag that a pointless battle with faceless extras is about to ensue.

    If Captain Marvel were a cop, there might be avenues for detective/mystery threads but so far the MCU and DC movies haven’t really tried it. E.g. a typical superhero movie might handle a key piece of information like Captain Marvel breaking into a military base to find super-clear logs explaining exactly what happened (and possibly notes in an alien language to make it super obvious that she was working with an alien all along), and the movie treats this as mainly an opportunity for fight/chase scenes rather than a mystery. Worse, a really dumb Superman movie might solve the “mystery” of Lex Luthor’s involvement in a crime by having the killers use experimental bullets that are only available to LexCorp, and trying to frame Superman of a gun crime is exactly the intelligence level I’d expect for a Superman movie. In an actual detective story, I’d expect a lot more twists and turns and more wrangling with wrong leads, uncooperative witnesses, information misunderstood or incorrectly used, red herrings, and often a more complex setup of who’s involved and how and possibly who knows what and when. Also, a lot of superhero stories limit sleuthing to putting evidence into a computer and getting an address to go to. If you’re absolutely convinced the story is somewhere besides the mystery, okay, but I think they’d probably need to try something *significantly* different to warrant a cop character. (Unless the cop character’s there for some non-mystery value. E.g. in Antman, the romantic rival is a cop, and sometimes he provides information the main characters would otherwise have a hard time working in, but mainly I think his police background is more of a personality setter and a marker of why Antman’s wife moved on to a more stable, non-criminal husband).

  19. Byakuyaon 12 Feb 2021 at 12:05 pm

    ” In an actual detective story, I’d expect a lot more twists and turns and more wrangling with wrong leads, uncooperative witnesses, red herrings, and possibly a much more complex setup of who’s involved and how and who knows what and when. Also, a lot of superhero stories limit sleuthing to putting evidence into a computer and getting an address to go to. If you’re absolutely convinced the story is somewhere besides the mystery, okay, but I think they’d probably need to try something *significantly* different to warrant a cop character.”

    Well, The Question and Batman are good examples of sleuth style superheroes. Namely, in that, they both have to deal with some villains who have unorthodox approaches. For example, the Riddler always leaves riddles. He isn’t like say Metallo who is more upfront with executing crimes.

    So I can’t say I fully agree with your assessment for it depends on genre and tone. It seems like you are boxing in what a superhero story could be. For example, Winter Soldier was a political thriller.

    And Guardians of the Galaxy/ Infinity War where space westerns/ space epic Macguffin hunt, respectively. But onto why I believe a buddy cop movie would have worked well, the following reasons.

    Note I’d be using Monica Rambeau and not Carol Danvers namely because I like her a lot more than Carol. If you want a good rewrite of Captain Marvel, I recommend checking out the YouTube video “Drinker Fixes Captain Marvel” by Critical Drinker. Excellent critic. I digress.

    The first is that Monica being a cop would have allowed us to see what she would be capable of before getting superpowers. You once wrote a great article telling that a character should showcase what they are capable of before getting the superpowers.

    That way when the time came for them to get them(assuming they weren’t born with them) it would be earned/ justified. Good examples of this are Steve Rogers in Captain America but also Midoriya Izuku from My Hero Academia.

    Monica being a cop would have allowed the audience to get to know how she viewed the world. Especially in a 90s New Orleans(which is where I’d set it. A change of pace).

    The second reason is that you could have mixed up the enemy. Captain Marvel wanted to introduce the Skrulls which fair enough. But it didn’t do enough of a job justifying why not all Skrulls were bad and the Kree being the twist bad guys.

    In my rewrite, we’d have a company like Roxxon oil be apart of a bigger conspiracy. And if you want you can have the twist with the Skrulls.

    Finally, being a buddy cop movie would also work in line with the MCU in that they usually want to keep things light. And while buddy cop movies can be very serious, they often have a lighter tone to them.

    Especially given how they hinge upon two individuals bouncing off of one another and forming a friendship. Heck, you could have had Fury or Coulson be the by the books type of law enforcer while Monica is looser and more laid back.

    And have those qualities showcase themselves with how they interact and demonstrate the positives and negatives for why each of the characters act the way they do.

    Finally, it would have been a nice way to change up a superhero movie. Usually, a lot superhero movies will either be in space, underwater or if more earth-based take place in big popular, cities, like New York, LA, London etc. New Orleans is a unique city and one that is ripe with possibilities. Heck, I’m working on a story with my superhero set in New Orleans.

    But that’s just me. Love to hear your take on the matter.

  20. Rey Stoneon 04 Apr 2021 at 10:00 pm

    I think that the reason Captain Marvel was not that good was because it was rushed before End Game. And if you didn’t like her in her own movie, you definitely did not like her in End Game.

  21. B. McKenzieon 05 Apr 2021 at 2:13 pm

    “if you didn’t like her in her own movie, you definitely did not like her in End Game.” — I think that’s fair. In her own movie, she gets zero good scenes, but part of that is being surrounded by subpar side-characters. In Endgame, she still gets no good scenes, but she’s wasting much better characters, and I can’t remember any interesting line she’s delivered or received since the toast exchange in her movie.

    1. She’s not the most interesting solution for Tony Stark and Nebula surviving being stranded on a ship in the middle of nowhere. Getting out a call for help could be interesting, particularly if the help was unreliable or conditional or came with some sort of cost, but at the very least, Captain Marvel’s appearance could have been less random. (Maybe she’s working some sort of case in the area, has some sort of plot interaction with something the characters are dealing with, maybe she wants something Stark/Nebula have, or maybe she has some mission of her own that brings her in the direction of Earth and hers only somewhat overlaps with theirs).

    2. Captain Marvel has a megalomaniac streak (“because before you didn’t have me”), but unlike a Tony Stark she has so little charm or screen presence that I think it plays more like desperate self-importance, like Ron Burgundy minus the comedy. Contrast to the Ancient One who lets the Hulk know that there are background plots bigger than what he’s working on, and that he’s asking her for something even more dangerous than losing 50% of the galaxy. This is interesting world-building, and both the Ancient One and the Hulk come across as engaging and believable in that scene.

    2.1. She gets a scene where her main topic of conversation is letting everybody know that she’s kind of a big deal with hundreds of planets to worry about. (Thankfully, nobody points out that what they’re doing on Earth will also affect these hundreds of other planets, and they let her fly off like Poochie).

    2.2. About ~5% about the lines said by or to Captain Marvel in End Game are about her hair. Things about Captain Marvel that come up less than her hair include that she’s from Earth, any concern or emotional response she might have to anything happening on Earth, any entertaining lines, and any non-dickish interaction with anyone else in the galaxy.

    2.3. If CM were ever going to not be a self-important dick, the raccoon asking “What, ya gonna get another haircut?” is an easy opportunity for some charismatic banter or light friction or fun insult. He’s a raccoon who keeps a nuclear weapon lying around just in case, and his go-to safety lock is duct tape over the detonator. She has better escalations/responses available than annoyed self-importance. E.g. bringing up anything ridiculous he spends his time on could be a funny team-building or conflict-building line, hopefully edging away from the aloof-and-superior vibe. OR, Captain Marvel could insult someone that keeps a nuclear weapon around, and hope he (and everyone else who hears it) circumspectly waves it off, but that would be out of character for a high-conflict nuclear raccoon.

    2.4. Slurring the raccoon is a uniquely dickish move, seeing as she’s one of the only other characters in the MCU who prominently faces demographic discrimination. If you missed Captain Marvel’s movie and End Game is your first look at CM, this introduction tanks hard on most levels. (It also makes the other characters in-scene look dickish for not speaking up).

    2.5. Most characters that have this little self-awareness are ridiculous comedic characters, e.g. Ron Burgundy and Michael Scott. Captain Marvel’s writers play her straight and I have no idea what they’re going for.

    3. The kindest thing I can say about Captain Marvel in the MCU is that she’s a personality-light, superpower-heavy Superman character in a universe that has benefited tremendously from not having a Superman. The least kind thing is that the main thing that Endgame shares with the Captain Marvel movie is that there’s no point at which Captain Marvel makes either more entertaining.

  22. Kenon 10 Apr 2021 at 6:47 am

    Hey B. Mac,

    I sent you an email on April 1st, asking about how superhero movies struggle with romance and how other genres do it better. I haven’t gotten a response yet. Thank you.

  23. B. McKenzieon 10 Apr 2021 at 5:24 pm

    Thanks, Ken, got it.

  24. Nithin Ravion 18 May 2021 at 11:13 pm

    Loved the movie.

  25. B. McKenzieon 21 May 2021 at 12:58 am

    “Loved the movie.” Anything in particular?

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