Jun 19 2009

Don’t give up your secret identity!

Published by at 5:21 am under Comedy

Bleach’s writing is not terribly inspired and it introduces its premise in a fairly awkward fashion.  However, this visual from episode 2 made me burst into laughter.  The hero is at school and meets someone that is obviously the girl he saw dice up a demon the night before.  (Because of secret identities, he can’t say anything to the people around him, though).  He starts to freak out and she turns to shake his hand.

24 responses so far

24 Responses to “Don’t give up your secret identity!”

  1. Contra Gloveon 19 Jun 2009 at 6:25 pm

    The worst part about the series is that death is cheap. I stopped reading the comics after volume 14.

  2. The ReTARDISed Whovianon 19 Jun 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Haha, that’s a good plan. Some people I know do that in exams when they have to be silent. They write something on their hands and then dangle it over the edge of the desk so the person next to them can read it. None of them are stupid enough to cheat, though. Instead, they write stuff like “u dun?”

  3. B. Macon 19 Jun 2009 at 7:52 pm

    I’m not familiar with the later issues, but my initial impression is that the series’ main character is a bland version of a very common archetype: a typical high school student thrown into a paranormal situation. (For example, Yu-Yu Hakusho and Tenchi Muyo and American Dragon have a similar setup).

    The main character is forgettable as a regular person and the paranormal side isn’t particularly easy to follow or interesting. It would be like taking Spiderman and removing everything interesting about Peter Parker’s day-life: no Mary Jane, no Gwen Stacey, no Uncle Ben, no poverty, etc. When you take away all of that, the only thing left is a guy in a strange costume beating on random bad guys. Forgettable.

  4. Contra Gloveon 19 Jun 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Oh yes, Chosen Ones with no life outside of beating things up. I quite dislike those types.

  5. B. Macon 19 Jun 2009 at 10:00 pm

    “…no life outside of beating things up. I quite dislike those types.” Agreed. That’s one of the reasons that I hate Raphael from TMNT. Donatello is inquisitive and curious, Mike is wacky and fun-loving, and even Leonardo has meditation and stuff. Loosely paraphrasing an Army paratrooper whose letter was printed in the back of one of the Mirage comics, fighting gets old really fast.

    In the US, I notice that series that are highly combat-centric tend to fade out after a few years. For example, DBZ. A few years ago, DBZ was enough of a phenomenon that the Wall Street Journal used it as an example of products thriving in culturally alien territory. Now, if a businessman mentions DBZ, it’s probably the butt of a joke. The DBZ movie earned a disgraceful $9 million in US box office sales. In comparison, the latest Superman movie (which was so bad that I walked out of it) earned $200 million in US sales.

    My impression is that it’s really hard to keep people coming back for a combat-heavy franchise because combat tends to get stale more quickly than humor, character development and drama.

    I think The Matrix is another good example of an action-heavy series that aged very poorly. With a few exceptions, it’s very hard to sustain an audience on decades worth of fights. Most of the series that last for decades tend to spend less time on combat. For example… Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Spiderman, etc.

  6. Avi Arunon 20 Jun 2009 at 2:12 am

    Bleach is the exact opposite of what this site suggests.

    – Swords have names.
    – More telling, less showing.
    – Mary sue characters (It took us a hundred years to master it, he did it in 3 days?).
    – Convoluted plot.
    – Relationships between characters which is not revealed at the beginning.
    – Too many illogical sequences.
    – Many scenes are exactly copied from Naruto (Gaara’s Sand and Byakuya’s cherry blossoms)

    Still, I heard Bleach is the top ranked anime in the US. People tell me that Bleach is so original, hence they like it. Seriously, how do you guys watch them?

  7. The ReTARDISed Whovianon 20 Jun 2009 at 2:41 am

    I was never really interested in Bleach. My favourite manga/anime are Death Note, DNAngel, The Dreaming, Lovely Complex and Black Cat. I plan to read His and Her Circumstances, Ouran High School Hasot Club, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and Fruits Basket.

  8. Davidon 20 Jun 2009 at 5:07 am

    hey i love the Bleach dvds and death note to

  9. Contra Gloveon 20 Jun 2009 at 5:37 am

    Here’s another thing about Bleach — I had got up to the point where they started introducing loads and loads of characters. Due to the nature of the comic book medium, it can’t handle it the way the GBA Fire Emblem games + Path of Radiance did (using “support conversations” as asides that don’t intrude upon the main plot.) Why does Kubo add so many characters?

  10. Holliequon 20 Jun 2009 at 7:58 am

    I used to be a fan of Bleach (hey, some of those fights were pretty badass), but like you said, it got boring after a while. I still read the Naruto manga for some reason, though.

  11. Avi Arunon 20 Jun 2009 at 10:42 am

    Naruto was comparatively more original, even though many people consider it to be a kid’s anime.

  12. B. Macon 20 Jun 2009 at 11:43 am

    “Still, I heard Bleach is the top ranked anime in the US. People tell me that Bleach is so original, hence they like it. Seriously, how do you guys watch them?” I don’t think it’s the most popular. At least in terms of manga sales, Naruto is comfortably #1. For example, on May 30, it occupied five of the top ten spaces on the New York Times bestsellers list for manga. Bleach had zero. On June 6, Naruto had three and Bleach had one. On June 13, Naruto had three and Bleach had one again.

    There are good things about Bleach, but– at least from what I can tell so far– originality is definitely not one of them. It’s very formulaic, and the formula was executed more smoothly by Yu Yu Hakusho and Clow Captor Sakura and Sailor Moon, among others. In terms of using anime/manga formulas originally, I’d recommend looking instead at Legendz’ take on the Pokemon concept.

  13. LA Writeron 20 Jun 2009 at 1:16 pm

    If you ask me, Bleach’s originality isn’t something that you can use to say that it’s bad. From what I’ve heard, many people who write manga in Japan commonly takes certain things from previous manga to create their story. DBZ is known for one to take concepts from. The writers of Naruto himself said he took things from DBZ to help make his story. If you compare Naruto with Goku, you’ll see that they’re not that different from each other. It’s with everything actually. Every story may have several qualities from another, but it’s how the author uses them that can make them completely different from one another.

  14. Davidon 20 Jun 2009 at 4:13 pm

    you know you can all say how bad the likes of Naruto Bleach Twilight or Eragon is but lets face it there all top sellers so they must be doing something right

    people must like the mary sues of eragon or the actons and diologie of Bleach i loved the fight sceans in Naruto plus most of the chraters alot of the things in naruto are funny

    i mean no book or movie is perfect but these books that have been menstioned are great books and even better dvds espehsily naruto i watch the dvds over and over agien

  15. scribblaron 20 Jun 2009 at 5:58 pm

    I think you are confusing fact and opinion. The fact that something like Eragon or DaVinci Code are bestsellers does not make them good. It just means consumers are idiots or have bad taste or both…


  16. Davidon 20 Jun 2009 at 6:27 pm

    so people are idots because they like something you dont?

  17. The ReTARDISed Whovianon 20 Jun 2009 at 6:59 pm

    From a literary and critical viewpoint, the Da Vinci Code, Twilight and Eragon missed several vital points that make a story interesting. People still like it for other reasons; perhaps there were some good plot points or clever dialogue, but on the whole, they are not really what could be called good.

  18. The ReTARDISed Whovianon 20 Jun 2009 at 7:05 pm

    And of course, people are not idiots if they like it. The only reason psycho fans of Twilight are called idiots sometimes is because they act like it. “MARRY MEEEE!!!!11 I’M GONNA BE MRS CULLEN! TEAM EDWARD!!!111” It’s not normal behaviour.

    Twilight isn’t the only fandom with crazy fans. Some Harry Potter fans sent death threats to a band because they tried to sue JKR over use of their name. Also, there are people who go crazy over HP characters. Like this “I’m gonna marry Harry, and you can’t stop me! Check out my fanfic, it’s about a new girl at the school who’s a half vampire demon in Slytherin and invents new spells every day and never loses fights! SHE ROX! I LOVE HARRY! HE’S MINE! GET LOST GINNY!”

  19. B. Macon 20 Jun 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Generally, I don’t find people idiotic based on which works they like, but I get really nervous when young fantasy authors say they want to write the next Eragon. My take on Eragon is that its young readers generally accepted a fairly banal, trite story because they found the author relatable.

    I’m happy for Christopher Paolini that his book succeeded, but his success story is hard to emulate. For one thing, he started out by self-publishing, which is not financially viable for most young authors. But, more importantly, relying on relatability is really risky. An author that wants to get published has to get his work through the same wall of surly publisher’s assistants and acquisitions editors as everyone else.

    YOUNG WOULD-BE AUTHOR: My book will succeed because I’m 16 and Eragon succeeded!
    PUBLISHER’S ASSISTANT: Actually, a thousand other teens told us the same thing this year, and we rejected all of them, too. Your pitch confuses possibility with plausibility. Particularly in this economy, we buy books that could plausibly succeed.

    I can hear the complaints now. “There was Swordbird, too! The author was 13!” Umm, ok. Tens of thousands of new authors have broken onto the scene in the last decade. How many of them were younger than 18 when they wrote a book that sold remotely well? If the answer is less than five– and I would assume it is unless the proposal proved otherwise– you will have to move the heavens and the Earth to prove that your book could sell. (For example, having a preexisting audience helps).

  20. LA Writeron 20 Jun 2009 at 8:12 pm

    If you like something and it’s not bad you shouldn’t let others discourage you from enjoying. I love anime! But my brother thinks that makes me a freak. But that doesn’t mean I have to let it bother me. I love Bleach. But that doesn’t give me the right to force everyone else on this site to like it. IT’S NOT THAT SERIOUS! IT’S JUST A SHOW! DON’T LET IT BECOME YOUR LIFE! Apparently, I have bad taste in what I watch, but that doesn’t mean I have to stop watching it. There’s something that can make every book good. You just have to find it. You can’t follow all of the rules on this site to make a best seller. You can try, but it might actually suck. It’s the fans that matter. They have the final say on if it was good or not.

  21. B. Macon 20 Jun 2009 at 8:38 pm

    David, I’d like to encourage people not to take black-or-white views. 100% flawed works are rare and 100% awesome works are almost unheard of. (The Mona Lisa, for example).

    That said, I haven’t been as black-or-white about Bleach as you seem to think (“you can all say how bad the likes of Naruto Bleach Twilight or Eragon is but lets face it there all top sellers so they must be doing something right”). Umm, the purpose of this post was to introduce people to a funny scene in Bleach.

  22. B. Macon 21 Jun 2009 at 1:57 am

    “It’s the fans that matter. They have the final say on if it was good or not.” Don’t forget the publishers– they have the first say. Unfortunately, they tend to be more monolithic and a bit harder to please than readers are. For one, publishers are usually a bit less transparent about what they’re looking for.

  23. LA Writeron 21 Jun 2009 at 4:04 am

    I thought someone would say that. I meant for it to be implied, I thought that everyone would assumed that I meant any work that has been published, but that was my fault. But it just goes to show you, if they are willing to let those very flawed works be published, then they must have to some hope for them. Of course publishers won’t be so easily impressed. They know what a book should and what it shouldn’t have. It’s like if you’re a doctor and you’re watching one of those medical shows. It’s less likely you’ll like it simply because you know that some of the stuff they do is unrealistic and there’s no way that whatever is taking place should happen. Bleach has a good amount of humor in it, and that scene is just one of them.

  24. Tomon 21 Jun 2009 at 4:20 am

    I don’t know about the others but I think that Eragon was only professionally published because the publishers saw how much the self-published version was selling, not because of the quality of the book.

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