Comments on: When the Villain Beats the Heroes, Don’t Just Let Them Go http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/ How to write a superhero book, comic book or superhero novel and get it published Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:25:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159717 ShyViolets Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:43:48 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159717 It will make sure nothing is redundant and that there are no continuity errors :3 It will make sure nothing is redundant and that there are no continuity errors :3

]]> By: Indigo http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159640 Indigo Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:26:30 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159640 That's exactly what I'm doing with my comics! It takes forever, but it's really helpful in the end. :) That’s exactly what I’m doing with my comics! It takes forever, but it’s really helpful in the end. :)

]]> By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159461 ShyViolets Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:38:36 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159461 I'm trying to accurately map it all out so i don't contradict my self. :) I’m trying to accurately map it all out so i don’t contradict my self. :)

]]> By: Indigo http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159412 Indigo Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:21:25 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159412 I like the sound of that, it definitely sounds like something I'd read. Yeah it's hard getting all those ideas onto paper and then trying to make it all make sense :) I like the sound of that, it definitely sounds like something I’d read. Yeah it’s hard getting all those ideas onto paper and then trying to make it all make sense :)

]]> By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159370 ShyViolets Thu, 20 Oct 2011 03:03:24 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159370 @Indigo It's going to be a novel. The plot goes roughly like this. My hero, Theo, and her family have just moved because her mom, who is a police investigator, just got a new job. Theo has also begum to relies she is developing super powers (she has very advanced eye sight). A rare and powerful Egyptian artifact, gets stolen from the local museum and Theo's mom's boy friend (they have been dating for 10 years so he's basically Theo's dad) get framed for the crime. He was a thief in his youth but went strait after the death of his best friend. Theo then uses her powers to track down the real thief (aka secondary villain/Eli) but he escapes her. The the primary villain (The Shadow Man) sends the secondary villain to capture her, which he does fairly easily even though he feels that it's wrong. After hearing Theo's side of the story, he relies that his "father" isn't the man he thought he was and he helps her escape. Final the two of them work together to retrieve the stolen artifact and capture the villain. There is a lot more than that but I'm working on getting my ideas out of my head and on to paper. @Indigo

It’s going to be a novel. The plot goes roughly like this. My hero, Theo, and her family have just moved because her mom, who is a police investigator, just got a new job. Theo has also begum to relies she is developing super powers (she has very advanced eye sight). A rare and powerful Egyptian artifact, gets stolen from the local museum and Theo’s mom’s boy friend (they have been dating for 10 years so he’s basically Theo’s dad) get framed for the crime. He was a thief in his youth but went strait after the death of his best friend. Theo then uses her powers to track down the real thief (aka secondary villain/Eli) but he escapes her. The the primary villain (The Shadow Man) sends the secondary villain to capture her, which he does fairly easily even though he feels that it’s wrong. After hearing Theo’s side of the story, he relies that his “father” isn’t the man he thought he was and he helps her escape. Final the two of them work together to retrieve the stolen artifact and capture the villain.

There is a lot more than that but I’m working on getting my ideas out of my head and on to paper.

]]> By: Indigo http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159290 Indigo Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:18:28 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159290 @ShyViolets I really like the idea for your story too; the idea of the villain adopting foster children with abilities is a fresh take on the super villain team storyline. Also the close bond between the secondary villain and his foster dad makes sense as to why he is pursuing a life of crime, whereas he might have otherwise turned out to be a hero if not for his upbringing. The fact that the villain considers him his son will createA LOT of drama when he finally decides to rebel against the person who raised him, needless to say. I would like to read your story when it's ready :) Is it a novel or a comic book? @ShyViolets
I really like the idea for your story too; the idea of the villain adopting foster children with abilities is a fresh take on the super villain team storyline. Also the close bond between the secondary villain and his foster dad makes sense as to why he is pursuing a life of crime, whereas he might have otherwise turned out to be a hero if not for his upbringing. The fact that the villain considers him his son will createA LOT of drama when he finally decides to rebel against the person who raised him, needless to say. I would like to read your story when it’s ready :) Is it a novel or a comic book?

]]> By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159246 ShyViolets Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:29:49 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159246 @ Indigo Your story for how your and why your villain becomes a hero sounds really interesting and like something a lot of people, myself included, would really like to read about. As far as my secondary villain goes, he was raised in the foster care system until he was about 10 years old. Then the main villain, who adopts foster children with unique gifts to use as tool and, if necessary, weapons. So the main villain raises him and several other children acting like a good father and mentor all the while teaching them to do things life fight and steal. The secondary villain is the main villain's most skilled student/child and the main villain almost feels like he is his actual son. The main villain sends the secondary villain to steal a rare and powerful artifact and frame another thief, who has gone strait, for the crime. The second thief is the boy friend of my hero's mother. The hero goes after the secondary villain and is captured. After hearing the the hero's side of the story he begins to realize that many of the things he has been doing are wrong. He then helps her escape and the two of them work together to bring down the main villain. @ Indigo

Your story for how your and why your villain becomes a hero sounds really interesting and like something a lot of people, myself included, would really like to read about.

As far as my secondary villain goes, he was raised in the foster care system until he was about 10 years old. Then the main villain, who adopts foster children with unique gifts to use as tool and, if necessary, weapons. So the main villain raises him and several other children acting like a good father and mentor all the while teaching them to do things life fight and steal.

The secondary villain is the main villain’s most skilled student/child and the main villain almost feels like he is his actual son. The main villain sends the secondary villain to steal a rare and powerful artifact and frame another thief, who has gone strait, for the crime. The second thief is the boy friend of my hero’s mother. The hero goes after the secondary villain and is captured.

After hearing the the hero’s side of the story he begins to realize that many of the things he has been doing are wrong. He then helps her escape and the two of them work together to bring down the main villain.

]]> By: Indigo http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159183 Indigo Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:00:21 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159183 @ShyViolets Hey, I have a secondary villain-turned hero in my comic book too :) The way I'm developing 2ndary villain is that she used to be best friends with the hero in high school (before they had powers) but something happens that causes her to pursue a career of villainy while the protagonist chooses to become a hero. Neither of them know about each other's super identities because they lost contact for a couple of years. Basically the villain ends up working for the main villain because she (main villain) promises to cure a disease that she has developed front her powers, if that makes sense. Anyways she ends up kidnapping the hero, discovers the hero is her old friend, and rebels against the main villain and teams up with the hero. More details in between, of course, but that's the gist. As for your villain, Violets, I would say as long as you build up to the moment he/she decides to become a hero, it should be believable. :) P.S. Sorry for the long comment! @ShyViolets
Hey, I have a secondary villain-turned hero in my comic book too :) The way I’m developing 2ndary villain is that she used to be best friends with the hero in high school (before they had powers) but something happens that causes her to pursue a career of villainy while the protagonist chooses to become a hero. Neither of them know about each other’s super identities because they lost contact for a couple of years.
Basically the villain ends up working for the main villain because she (main villain) promises to cure a disease that she has developed front her powers, if that makes sense. Anyways she ends up kidnapping the hero, discovers the hero is her old friend, and rebels against the main villain and teams up with the hero. More details in between, of course, but that’s the gist.

As for your villain, Violets, I would say as long as you build up to the moment he/she decides to become a hero, it should be believable. :)

P.S. Sorry for the long comment!

]]> By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159131 ShyViolets Wed, 19 Oct 2011 02:21:10 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159131 I really want the secondary villain to eventually become a hero. The main villain is the real bad guy being ruthless, manipulative, and cruel, but doesn't like to get his hands dirty so he sends the secondary villain to do it for him. I really want the secondary villain to eventually become a hero. The main villain is the real bad guy being ruthless, manipulative, and cruel, but doesn’t like to get his hands dirty so he sends the secondary villain to do it for him.

]]> By: B. McKenzie http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159118 B. McKenzie Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:27:46 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159118 CCO: "Maybe there should be a forum for helping people come up with villainous plots. Like 'this is my hero, please tell me how a smart villain would go about killing them.'" Okay, I've set it up <a href=http://www.superheronation.com/2011/10/18/villainous-brainstorming-forum/ rel="nofollow">here</a>. CCO: “Maybe there should be a forum for helping people come up with villainous plots. Like ‘this is my hero, please tell me how a smart villain would go about killing them.’” Okay, I’ve set it up here.

]]> By: B. McKenzie http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159112 B. McKenzie Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:10:49 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159112 ShyViolets, admittedly I only have a bit of information to go on, but my initial impression is that your (secondary) villain sounds too nice to be very threatening. If the villain is nice enough to let the hero go because the villain isn't a bad person and recognizes that capturing the hero was wrong, what's at stake for the hero? Are there any circumstances under which this villain might actually do something villainous to the hero? <br /> ... <br /> If this secondary villain is not primarily intended to threaten the heroes, what is his main purpose(s) in the plot? (Maybe he's sort of the Darth Vader meant to make the Emperor look more purely evil? Maybe he's a villain-turned-protagonist?) ShyViolets, admittedly I only have a bit of information to go on, but my initial impression is that your (secondary) villain sounds too nice to be very threatening. If the villain is nice enough to let the hero go because the villain isn’t a bad person and recognizes that capturing the hero was wrong, what’s at stake for the hero? Are there any circumstances under which this villain might actually do something villainous to the hero?

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If this secondary villain is not primarily intended to threaten the heroes, what is his main purpose(s) in the plot? (Maybe he’s sort of the Darth Vader meant to make the Emperor look more purely evil? Maybe he’s a villain-turned-protagonist?)

]]> By: Myna http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159077 Myna Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:28:20 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159077 I agree with CCol, if he's not the main villain and he's thinking of defecting or something similar, he can have doubts, let the hero go, and it would be believable. You just need to be careful with how you execute it. : ) I agree with CCol, if he’s not the main villain and he’s thinking of defecting or something similar, he can have doubts, let the hero go, and it would be believable. You just need to be careful with how you execute it. : )

]]> By: CCOlson http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-159047 CCOlson Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:16:15 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-159047 I think a secondary villain having a bout of conscience is perfectly reasonable if you do it right. Kidnapping (and subsequent murder) is a very different crime from non-confrontational theft and embezzlement. For one, it's a Federal crime in the U.S. and punished much more severely than any level of non-violent theft. That alone should be enough to make a normally non-violent criminal wonder if he's getting in over his head. It must fit with his character though, and you have to show that it does. However, consider how your main villain will react to the action of his underling. According to evil overlord policy, the secondary villain should at the very least be transferred to some division where he will no longer have any chance of interacting with the protagonist. That's if he's a useful minion who can't be readily replaced. If he ISN'T useful, then evil overlord policy suggests he should be disposed of immediately, because he is obviously a liability. I think a secondary villain having a bout of conscience is perfectly reasonable if you do it right. Kidnapping (and subsequent murder) is a very different crime from non-confrontational theft and embezzlement. For one, it’s a Federal crime in the U.S. and punished much more severely than any level of non-violent theft. That alone should be enough to make a normally non-violent criminal wonder if he’s getting in over his head. It must fit with his character though, and you have to show that it does.

However, consider how your main villain will react to the action of his underling. According to evil overlord policy, the secondary villain should at the very least be transferred to some division where he will no longer have any chance of interacting with the protagonist. That’s if he’s a useful minion who can’t be readily replaced. If he ISN’T useful, then evil overlord policy suggests he should be disposed of immediately, because he is obviously a liability.

]]> By: ShyViolets http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-158974 ShyViolets Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:25:02 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-158974 He isn't the main villain. He work very closely with the main villain and is now experiencing doubts about what his employer has been having him do. The main villain was his mentor so he wants to believe he isn't doing anything wrong but kidnaping is over his personal moral boundaries. He has no problem with theft and other white collar crime but kidnaping is not his thing. He isn’t the main villain. He work very closely with the main villain and is now experiencing doubts about what his employer has been having him do. The main villain was his mentor so he wants to believe he isn’t doing anything wrong but kidnaping is over his personal moral boundaries. He has no problem with theft and other white collar crime but kidnaping is not his thing.

]]> By: Myna http://www.superheronation.com/2010/02/14/instant-rejection-of-the-day-the-villain-beats-the-heroes-and-lets-them-go/comment-page-1/#comment-158938 Myna Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:01:55 +0000 http://www.superheronation.com/?p=5576#comment-158938 xDDDD I like that CCol. @ShyViolets: Why would the villain capture her in the first place if they thought it was wrong? xDDDD I like that CCol.

@ShyViolets: Why would the villain capture her in the first place if they thought it was wrong?

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