Jun 16 2009

D’s Review Forum

Published by at 11:17 am under Review Forums

Please see the comments below.  Thanks!

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26 Responses to “D’s Review Forum”

  1. Don 23 Jun 2009 at 11:49 am

    Welcome to my forum!

    I’m a newbie here, so I don’t really know anyone. But I’m friendly and sure as hell don’t bite. I like to write, dance, and sing horribly off-key.

    I decided to come to this site after realizing that I will need some serious help with the novel I’m working on. The working title is Hey Hercules.

    The story is centered on a successful music group that gets into a terrible accident one night and start developing strange and superhuman abilities after a few weeks in the hospital.

    The band has four guys in it, and my protagonist’s name is Warren, a fairly even-tempered, amiable lad who becomes quite bitter after the accident.

    Story takes place in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. (woot for Canada!) I throw in some French into the story when I can. I’ve studied it for 4 years but I still suck like you wouldn’t even know.

    I’ve written about 17,000+ words for the story and have writer’s block. 😐

    Alright, that’s it. I can’t believe I just shared that much – I’m so paranoid that someone will steal my stuff! I’m so.. silly.

    Thanks to anyone who drops by to help!

  2. B. Macon 23 Jun 2009 at 12:31 pm

    If you’d feel more secure dealing with this in a private setting, you can email me chapters at superheronation-at-gmail-dot-com and then we can go from there. I can probably round up 3-5 reviewers for something like that. Or you can just start posting chapters here. You’ll get more responses that way, and the risks of theft are quite small, but please do whatever makes you feel most comfortable.

  3. Davidon 23 Jun 2009 at 12:42 pm

    The good thing about copyright laws is that you only have to prove you came up with your stuff first, so the fact that all posts are date and time-stamped can prove that.

    B. Mac might know more about that.

  4. Don 23 Jun 2009 at 3:07 pm

    That’s true, but I wonder if someone were to steal something and I didn’t find out? Then that person would get away with ripping off my idea without my knowing.

    This issue has made me so paranoid about my photography and other writing that I deleted my flickr account (which really hurt! I was pretty successful on that site) and made any fanfics I’ve written hidden.

    Okay, so I’m a little crazy. I can’t help it.

  5. Marissaon 23 Jun 2009 at 3:21 pm

    D,

    If you like, I could help you out via e-mail, as B. Mac offered as well. I love talking about writing, whether it’s mine or someone else’s or just writing in general. 😀

  6. Don 23 Jun 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Thanks, everyone. 🙂 That makes things a lot better. I’ll let you guys know when I’ll be able to send something.

  7. Marissaon 23 Jun 2009 at 5:30 pm

    You can contact me on xnihility (at) gmail (dot) com. I’ve also got MSN or AIM or Y!IM or G-Talk, so if you want something quicker (which I’ll admit, I prefer), I’ll give you one of those.

  8. Don 23 Jun 2009 at 5:35 pm

    I’ve got MSN, I think that’ll be the easiest:) If you don’t mind.

  9. Marissaon 23 Jun 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Get in touch with the email I offered, and I’ll give you my MSN there. I don’t like releasing it over the public boards like I do my gmail one, since gmail handles spam much, much better.

  10. Davidon 23 Jun 2009 at 9:18 pm

    I have MSN as well and I’d also be happy to help.

    Hey, Marissa. How come you aren’t on MSN with me anymore?

  11. B. Macon 23 Jun 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Gmail handles spam like a pro. Speaking of spam, we reached our 25,000th spam message on this website earlier today. Of those, eight got through our spam filters and survived an average of 15 minutes. Nya nya nya!

  12. B. Macon 23 Jun 2009 at 11:27 pm

    “That’s true, but I wonder if someone were to steal something and I didn’t find out? Then that person would get away with ripping off my idea without my knowing.”

    Manuscript theft is extremely rare.

    1) For professional, legal and ethical reasons, publishers won’t deal with manuscripts they know are stolen.

    2) Publishers will do some digging around before offering to buy a manuscript. For example, they’ll put some of the manuscript’s unique phrases in Google. That will help them determine if ownership is disputed.

    3) For a thief to successfully sell your manuscript, he has to steal the entire manuscript. If someone lacked the ability to write, the first 75% of your manuscript would be completely worthless to him because he can’t sell it without finishing it. If he had the ability to write, it’d be much legally safer and usually easier to write his own manuscript.

    4) Even if the thief steals your entire manuscript, he has to steal a version that’s edited enough to get published somewhere. Pretty much every manuscript goes through a long process of submission, rejection and improvement. A thief would find most manuscripts useless because he doesn’t know how to make the improvements necessary to get the sale.

    5) All in all, stealing manuscripts is a really, really hard way to make money. The risks are exceedingly high for the thief because if he could find the original work online, the publisher can, too. Also, successfully publishing pretty much guarantees that it will come up in a Google search. Let’s say the thief gets really lucky and somehow convinces a publisher to publish his stolen work. When you yourself get published, your publisher will find out that someone else has previously published a similar story. Then the thief is looking at a litany of civil and criminal cases.

    6) Selling a stolen manuscript requires an unusual set of skills that most thieves don’t have. At the very least, you have to be uncommonly fluent in written English and usually college-educated. Even if you stole a manuscript that was good enough to get published somewhere, you’d still have to write up a query and a proposal. If those had flaws, publishers would pass on the (stolen) manuscript.

  13. Don 24 Jun 2009 at 10:18 am

    Oh wow. Thank you, B. Mac. Just reading that definitely made my confidence go up and reassured me against theft my work. Man, why was I so paranoid?? 😐

  14. B. Macon 24 Jun 2009 at 10:50 am

    No worries.

    Although manuscript theft is not a problem, I’d still recommend against posting huge portions of the story online, though. Publishers like to know that authors have already built an audience for their work, and posting samples is a useful way to do so. However, publishers are generally a bit wary about works that have too much available to the public. Personally, I think it’s ok to post 10-15,000 words online, but after that, I would recommend switching to a private e-mail list.

  15. B. Macon 24 Jun 2009 at 11:50 am

    Same thing. Once you’ve posted a substantial portion of the story on your blog, I’d recommend switching over to something more private with just your most trusted reviewers. It’ll probably be a very small club, but five reviewers is usually sufficient.

    Publishers won’t be concerned if you’ve e-mailed your entire manuscript to a group of reviewers. But they’d probably get spooked if the story is all available online. The publisher’s only concern is making sales. Giving people most of the story can discourage them from buying a copy because they have plenty of time to decide that they’ve had enough or that the story is lagging or whatever.

  16. Don 25 Jun 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Alright, so since this site is so addictive, I decided to refrain from going on it for like a day. I mean, this is a serious accomplishment, since I’d do anything to avoid staring at a blank screen.
    Anyway, I just finished revising everything I had done – its a habit I have when I have nothing new to write. How often do you think I should be revising? Should I save it all for the end?

    Okay, so, I’m having difficulty gauging a decent reaction between 2 guys who’ve just realized they have “abnormal” abilities. (one just teleported into the room where the other guy was reading minds/communicating telepathically)

    Seriously, how does one react to discovering superpowers? 😐
    Hmmm.

  17. ShardReaperon 25 Jun 2009 at 8:29 pm

    They’d freak the hell out. Try and make their reactions superpower overloads. One story that I read a few years back had characters discovering they had powers and just going crazy (i.e., a firestarter just started to set things on fire, the teleporter ended up going from her house to Texas to Brazil in over the course of half a minute, etc.).

  18. Don 25 Jun 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I wonder, how do guys “freak out”? 🙂

  19. B. Macon 25 Jun 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Umm, what’s the situation like? My guess is that a guy under a lot of stress is more likely to bottle it up longer and, when he finally does let it out, he’s probably going to be angry, confrontational and possibly violent.

    On the other hand, if the person is a beta male, he might become more withdrawn, depressed, becoming passive-aggressive to avoid the cause of his stress, etc.

  20. Don 25 Jun 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Well the guys just realized they have powers and it kinda explains a few things that have been going on (one guy realizes that he isn’t insane anymore.. so like it answers a bunch of questions for both.)

  21. B. Macon 25 Jun 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Hmm. If I thought that I had been going crazy, but that there really was a clear and kind of awesome explanation, I’d probably feel relieved and calm. I don’t think it would cause me to freak out.

  22. Don 26 Jun 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Alriiiiiighty, DIALOGUE. What makes for masculine dialogue? A lot of swearing? More fists than talking? What would it be like over the phone? Hmm.
    Thanks in advance!

  23. Don 26 Jun 2009 at 3:28 pm

    **Warning! Bunch of swearing in the next passage:)


    A few shaken moments later, his singing cell phone yanked him out of his reverie. He pulled it out, cutting the engine of his car as well. Brandon, it read.

    “What do you want?” Warren spat into his phone. His anger was resurfacing.

    “Warren, man, where the fuck did you storm off to?” Brandon’s voice was panicked, but somehow still arrogant because it was eating Warren’s brain up.

    “You care? Since when?” Warren seethed.

    “I don’t want to fight with you, Warren! Just… don’t do anything stupid,” he said. “It’s raining shitloads out there.”

    “I didn’t notice.”

    “God, Warren!” Brandon shouted down the line. “Stop holding on to this childish garbage of yours and grow some fucking balls.”

    “Listen you two-faced dick, I’m not the one who lost control of the van,” Warren bit. “I’m not the reason all of us almost died. I’m not the reason Adam almost died. So don’t preach to me about anything, because you’re the one that needs it!”

    The line went dead silent, and Warren hung up angrily, throwing his phone aside.
    —-

    This is my first story post! Don’t flame me too bad;)

  24. Marissaon 26 Jun 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Guys generally aren’t as enthusiastic about phone conversations as women are, but that depends on the specific guy’s personality.

    Men tend to try to project a self-assured front when they talk, because talking draws the attention to them, and they want to be (forgive the stereotypical term) macho when the attention’s on them.

    Not all guys swear, it really depends on the guy. In my story, I have one guy who swears, and one who’d tell him to watch his mouth.

    The guys I’m around have a way of shifting from serious to not serious pretty fast, because their serious is less serious than most women’s serious.

  25. Don 26 Jun 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Ok. How do you think the boys’ status will affect their attitude and such? These boys belong to a successful band.
    Even I think that there’s a lot of swearing in the passage I posted – I should probably cut down. It sure does cut to the point, though. well, for me, anyway. 🙂
    As for the phone thingy, I kinda wanted to put that in there to show the relationship between the two boys with having a fist-to-fist brawl.

  26. Don 28 Jun 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Salut, mes amis 😉 I hope everyone is well.
    Okay, question time!
    I was wondering how having superpowers would affect a successful band? Examples would be great:) Thanks!

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