Comments on: Please do not make your characters generically nice

By: WritingNinja

WritingNinja — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:43:29 +0000

I like this article. One thing I realize is to use all of these nice traits as building block and add depth to them. A compassionate person isn’t going to be compassionate all of the time. A polite person might know how to act around people but picks her nose when she is alone. Someone might be social, but have serious emotional problems where they have to be social and in the spot light or else heck breaks lose.

I think about myself and the people I am around when I think of these traits. They needs reasons why they are that way. For instance, I am usually a kind and compassionate person. But if someone yells at me, picks on me, or chews me out, I bring my claws out.

Or I had a roommate who was very social and nice to people, but behind the scenes, she constantly chewed me out. I also had another roommate who avoided contention at all costs. While it might have been nice being around her. She couldn’t make up her mind about anything. She had no preference towards anything. It was frustrating for me when it we had to work because I hate always making decisions. Everyone had hangups. That’s the cool thing about writing is that you get to look into those hangups and have the readers go “Whoa. That’s *me*.”

By: Grenac

Grenac — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:13:00 +0000

“In practice, a character that’s 100% nice is usually boring and/or a Mary Sue.”
^This. So much.

I knew somebody who made every single fandom OC generically nice. They were boring Sue’s that were all the same. It’s like it was just one girl chara who changed clothes and wig to be plopped into another story. Chara development is awesome, I don’t see why she wouldn’t do it :<

By: Luna Jamnia

Luna Jamnia — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:34 +0000

… they’re very polite/stand-off-ish/emotionless, to be true, but it’s all to keep a curb on their tempers and try to make themselves more likeable (since most don’t like them at all except for the dragons and faeries). Which doesn’t always work; which doesn’t help them much.
I have somewhat of a cost, now, but not much–they do almost literally smother themselves because they bend over backward to be polite (and they don’t use contractions, ever) and be in control. Which does cause some to actually leave their Veimpr village and their politeness/emotionlessness actually does the opposite and pushes people away more because who wants to be friends with someone who never laughs, grins, rarely gives the hint of a smile, and is constantly polite? Not very exciting, except the rare occasion they may lose their temper because other equals badger them to death and they can’t take it anymore.

It is quite a pickle, though.

By: B. Mac

B. Mac — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:36:39 +0000

"If they’re inhumanly polite, then politeness should occasionally require them to do things that are recognizably inhuman." I like that. Also, if the characters are protagonists, it should also require them to do things that make their lives more difficult/dangerous. For example, if the villain has invited them to dinner, it would be terribly uncouth to say no. Incidentally, it is also very hard to say no IN JAPAN!

By: Patrick

Patrick — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:47:44 +0000

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What if their whole race is like that? Polite? And helpful in some cases to certain people … but like they were all brought up that way?
Well, they have tempers but they’re also very cultured so they hide it that way …
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There is a cost to everything. If they’re perfectly polite like Vulcans are perfectly in control of their emotions, then they should quite literally die smiling over matters of etiquette. (Vulcans might be a bad example because in practice Vulcans are perfectly in control of emotions until the storyline requires them to lose it in a we-totally-did-not-see-that-coming fashion, but that is neither here nor there.)

Perfectly Polite + Volatile Temper + Rigid Culture Controls Temper = recipe for a warrior caste society that will gut you like a fish if you touch their topknot. See, e.g., contemporary representations of feudal Europe or feudal Japan. (If their rigid culture controls their volatile temper 100% of the time, *they do not have a volatile temper*.)

If they’re inhumanly polite, then politeness should occasionally require them to do things that are recognizably inhuman. Otherwise they’re just Better than Human, which is a trope that I think has been mentioned negatively a few times here before.

By: Luna Jamnia

Luna Jamnia — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:17:33 +0000

hmmm … I guess. I’ll have to figure that one out–what he could have done, I mean. The realm already dislikes his kind in general; and that’s because of humans influence. They dislike other races as well but humans really hate his kind; the wolves, and dragons … those types.

Maybe because of his temper he got in trouble … ? But they also try to stay away from his kind because they know what he does; just like what the dragons will do.

By: B. Mac

B. Mac — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:01:51 +0000

So what’s the avenue for conflict? One thing you might consider is that they’re often very helpful, but are predisposed negatively towards the hero(es) for whatever reason. Preferably because of something he did (rather than something beyond his control).

By: Luna Jamnia

Luna Jamnia — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:12:15 +0000

What if their whole race is like that? Polite? And helpful in some cases to certain people … but like they were all brought up that way?

Well, they have tempers but they’re also very cultured so they hide it that way …

By: B. Mac

B. Mac — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:21:45 +0000

Yeah. I’d recommend having the flaws take center-stage, though… they’re more interesting. Also, in some cases, generic niceness might be necessary. For example, if the hero is retarded or otherwise significantly off, he HAS to be friendly (ideally outgoing) because socializing is pretty much the only way to make him likable. To some extent, that’s true for most characters that are very, very unrelatable.

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:02:04 +0000

Of course, you can have characters with these traits, as long as they have other , less generically nice traits, such as selfish, lazy, immature, stuck-up etc. etc.

Right?