<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Wings&#8217; Second Review Forum</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/</link>
	<description>How to write a superhero book, comic book or superhero novel and get it published</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:23:44 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: ShyViolets</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-172446</link>
		<dc:creator>ShyViolets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-172446</guid>
		<description>Ooooo secrets ^-^ me like. Good luck on them you two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooo secrets ^-^ me like. Good luck on them you two.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: B. McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-172075</link>
		<dc:creator>B. McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-172075</guid>
		<description>I, too, have a project I&#039;m not ready to discuss yet!  (I&#039;ll have more details to share if/when it gets published).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, have a project I&#8217;m not ready to discuss yet!  (I&#8217;ll have more details to share if/when it gets published).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-172068</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-172068</guid>
		<description>Alright, I keep disappearing, and I haven&#039;t written anything new in ages, but I have a good reason this time. 

...The deadline for my secret project is before Christmas, and I need to pour all my energy into it right now. Can&#039;t say anything more about it - I promise I&#039;ll explain everything once it&#039;s done. 

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I keep disappearing, and I haven&#8217;t written anything new in ages, but I have a good reason this time. </p>
<p>&#8230;The deadline for my secret project is before Christmas, and I need to pour all my energy into it right now. Can&#8217;t say anything more about it &#8211; I promise I&#8217;ll explain everything once it&#8217;s done. </p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-113133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-113133</guid>
		<description>Welcome back Wings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Wings.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-113085</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-113085</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s good to be back...

Anyway, there have been a few changes to the &#039;verse as a whole, mainly in the form of small shout outs, cameos of things from HTSTW, and the like:

- There is a poster for the movie &quot;Attack Of the Fifty Foot Prom Queen&quot; in Retra&#039;s room at the hospital - it&#039;s the same B-movie Meg mentions watching in HTSTW. 

- Due to his advanced avian powers, several other characters suspect Hummingbird to be possibly related to the Gabriel line. For those who haven&#039;t read my other forum, Gabriel is the codename for my other main winged hero, Ian. Given that this is a few decades after the events of the HTSTW &#039;verse, it&#039;s quite probable that Hummingbird is somehow related to Ian. 

- The introductory scenes for each of the protagonists have been tweaked, most notably Masochist&#039;s:
-- Darken saves a kid from a burning building, and is kind of a jerk about it. 
-- Hikari reluctantly pays Darken (Who&#039;s still being a jerk) and calls a meeting of the Six.
-- While out shopping for Hummingbird&#039;s soda, Masochist ends up being slapped by a cashier savvy enough to put two and two together and recognize him as the blood-manipulating hero. While not only serving to establish the public&#039;s view on hemokinetics (As well as Masochist&#039;s view of himself), it&#039;s also a small tribute to the book Hero by Perry Moore, one of the only other pieces of superhero literature I&#039;ve read (as a similar incident occurs with the protagonist&#039;s father). 

Also, I love the Darkenverse villains. 

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to be back&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, there have been a few changes to the &#8216;verse as a whole, mainly in the form of small shout outs, cameos of things from HTSTW, and the like:</p>
<p>- There is a poster for the movie &#8220;Attack Of the Fifty Foot Prom Queen&#8221; in Retra&#8217;s room at the hospital &#8211; it&#8217;s the same B-movie Meg mentions watching in HTSTW. </p>
<p>- Due to his advanced avian powers, several other characters suspect Hummingbird to be possibly related to the Gabriel line. For those who haven&#8217;t read my other forum, Gabriel is the codename for my other main winged hero, Ian. Given that this is a few decades after the events of the HTSTW &#8216;verse, it&#8217;s quite probable that Hummingbird is somehow related to Ian. </p>
<p>- The introductory scenes for each of the protagonists have been tweaked, most notably Masochist&#8217;s:<br />
&#8211; Darken saves a kid from a burning building, and is kind of a jerk about it.<br />
&#8211; Hikari reluctantly pays Darken (Who&#8217;s still being a jerk) and calls a meeting of the Six.<br />
&#8211; While out shopping for Hummingbird&#8217;s soda, Masochist ends up being slapped by a cashier savvy enough to put two and two together and recognize him as the blood-manipulating hero. While not only serving to establish the public&#8217;s view on hemokinetics (As well as Masochist&#8217;s view of himself), it&#8217;s also a small tribute to the book Hero by Perry Moore, one of the only other pieces of superhero literature I&#8217;ve read (as a similar incident occurs with the protagonist&#8217;s father). </p>
<p>Also, I love the Darkenverse villains. </p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: B. Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-78384</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-78384</guid>
		<description>&quot;Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, Darken had higher priorities. Still, hero work paid well.&quot;  The way I read this, it suggests that he has higher priorities than money.  One possible fix would be replacing &quot;Still, hero work paid well&quot; with a line about what he plans to do with the money. 
&lt;br /&gt;
I agree that third person would probably work better if we don&#039;t know everything about the character&#039;s motivations. I thought the third person scene came out smoothly. I enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, Darken had higher priorities. Still, hero work paid well.&#8221;  The way I read this, it suggests that he has higher priorities than money.  One possible fix would be replacing &#8220;Still, hero work paid well&#8221; with a line about what he plans to do with the money.<br />
<br />
I agree that third person would probably work better if we don&#8217;t know everything about the character&#8217;s motivations. I thought the third person scene came out smoothly. I enjoyed it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-78332</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-78332</guid>
		<description>Le gasp. I, being the perfectionist that I am, have made another change to TSBLAD.

I&#039;m testing out the chapter rewrites with both the original third-person limited and the new first person style. I want to see which one is more effective. 

New First Chapter (Third Person Limited, Darken&#039;s POV) 

	The sound of sirens had become a familiar part of Darken&#039;s daily routine. He wove his way through smoldering debris to the building&#039;s exit, the smoky air pervasive and blinding. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black cloak. 

	Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child&#039;s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. In Darken&#039;s line of work, sentiment was just another liability. The Six had hired him for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, Darken had higher priorities. 

	Still, hero work paid well. 

	Sidestepping a burning support, Darken neared the exit. He leapt off the balcony with one swift movement, clutching the little girl tightly to his chest. Rolling into a landing, he straightened, the child in his arms unharmed. Darken strode to the nearest fireman and deposited the unconscious girl in the stunned man&#039;s arms. He turned abruptly, about to make his way back the anonymity of the shadows, when the firefighter called out to him. 

	“What the hell was that?!”

	Darken paused in his retreat. “I believe it&#039;s called a &#039;rescue&#039;.” He continued on his way, and had just started to disappear into the shadows when the firefighter shouted after him for a second time.

	“Do you even care?! You could have killed her!”

	This time, Darken turned around. 

	“There&#039;s your problem. You care. If you didn&#039;t care, your job would be a lot easier.”

	With that, Darken vanished into the shadows without a trace, walking away from the smoldering building. The sound of sirens began to fade. 

	At dawn, perhaps Pathos would have a new job for him. Hopefully, it would be something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building. 

	No matter what it was, Darken got the job done. 

	As long as the check cleared.

New First Chapter (First Person, Darken&#039;s POV) 

        The sound of sirens had become a familiar part of my daily routine. I wove my way through smoldering debris to the building&#039;s exit, the smoky air pervasive and blinding. The little girl was unconscious in my arms, her singed pink pajamas in stark contrast against my black cloak. 

	I shifted the material of my cloak to better shield the child&#039;s face from the smoke. I could feel my expression softening, and snapped back into my business persona in a matter of seconds. In my line of work, sentiment was just another liability. The Six had hired me for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, I had higher priorities. 

	Still, hero work paid well. 

	Sidestepping a burning support, I neared the exit. I leapt off the balcony with one swift movement, clutching the little girl tightly to my chest. I rolled into a landing and straightened, the child unharmed. I strode to the nearest fireman and deposited the unconscious child in the stunned man&#039;s arms. Just as I began to make my way back to the anonymity of the shadows, the firefighter called out. 

	“What the hell was that?!”

	I paused to reply. “I believe it&#039;s called a &#039;rescue&#039;.” I continued on my way back to the shadows, when the firefighter shouted at me again. 

	“Do you even care?! You could have killed her!”

	This time, I turned back to face him. 

	“There&#039;s your problem. You care. If you didn&#039;t care, your job would be a lot easier.”

	And I disappeared into the shadows.

	Perhaps Pathos would have a job for me by dawn, hopefully something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building. 

	No matter what it is, I&#039;ll get the job done. 

	So long as the check clears. 

------------

Looking at the first-person attempt, I&#039;m not sure if I like it. First person usually allows for a reader to greater understand a character, but I think that giving Darken the internal monologues I often see in first-person works would seem uncharacteristic. If we can understand all of Darken&#039;s motivations head on, then his whole &quot;mysterious&quot; aspect is canceled out. 

Sigh...What do you guys think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le gasp. I, being the perfectionist that I am, have made another change to TSBLAD.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m testing out the chapter rewrites with both the original third-person limited and the new first person style. I want to see which one is more effective. </p>
<p>New First Chapter (Third Person Limited, Darken&#8217;s POV) </p>
<p>	The sound of sirens had become a familiar part of Darken&#8217;s daily routine. He wove his way through smoldering debris to the building&#8217;s exit, the smoky air pervasive and blinding. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black cloak. </p>
<p>	Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child&#8217;s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. In Darken&#8217;s line of work, sentiment was just another liability. The Six had hired him for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, Darken had higher priorities. </p>
<p>	Still, hero work paid well. </p>
<p>	Sidestepping a burning support, Darken neared the exit. He leapt off the balcony with one swift movement, clutching the little girl tightly to his chest. Rolling into a landing, he straightened, the child in his arms unharmed. Darken strode to the nearest fireman and deposited the unconscious girl in the stunned man&#8217;s arms. He turned abruptly, about to make his way back the anonymity of the shadows, when the firefighter called out to him. </p>
<p>	“What the hell was that?!”</p>
<p>	Darken paused in his retreat. “I believe it&#8217;s called a &#8216;rescue&#8217;.” He continued on his way, and had just started to disappear into the shadows when the firefighter shouted after him for a second time.</p>
<p>	“Do you even care?! You could have killed her!”</p>
<p>	This time, Darken turned around. </p>
<p>	“There&#8217;s your problem. You care. If you didn&#8217;t care, your job would be a lot easier.”</p>
<p>	With that, Darken vanished into the shadows without a trace, walking away from the smoldering building. The sound of sirens began to fade. </p>
<p>	At dawn, perhaps Pathos would have a new job for him. Hopefully, it would be something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building. </p>
<p>	No matter what it was, Darken got the job done. </p>
<p>	As long as the check cleared.</p>
<p>New First Chapter (First Person, Darken&#8217;s POV) </p>
<p>        The sound of sirens had become a familiar part of my daily routine. I wove my way through smoldering debris to the building&#8217;s exit, the smoky air pervasive and blinding. The little girl was unconscious in my arms, her singed pink pajamas in stark contrast against my black cloak. </p>
<p>	I shifted the material of my cloak to better shield the child&#8217;s face from the smoke. I could feel my expression softening, and snapped back into my business persona in a matter of seconds. In my line of work, sentiment was just another liability. The Six had hired me for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every tree-trapped cat in ____, I had higher priorities. </p>
<p>	Still, hero work paid well. </p>
<p>	Sidestepping a burning support, I neared the exit. I leapt off the balcony with one swift movement, clutching the little girl tightly to my chest. I rolled into a landing and straightened, the child unharmed. I strode to the nearest fireman and deposited the unconscious child in the stunned man&#8217;s arms. Just as I began to make my way back to the anonymity of the shadows, the firefighter called out. </p>
<p>	“What the hell was that?!”</p>
<p>	I paused to reply. “I believe it&#8217;s called a &#8216;rescue&#8217;.” I continued on my way back to the shadows, when the firefighter shouted at me again. </p>
<p>	“Do you even care?! You could have killed her!”</p>
<p>	This time, I turned back to face him. </p>
<p>	“There&#8217;s your problem. You care. If you didn&#8217;t care, your job would be a lot easier.”</p>
<p>	And I disappeared into the shadows.</p>
<p>	Perhaps Pathos would have a job for me by dawn, hopefully something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building. </p>
<p>	No matter what it is, I&#8217;ll get the job done. </p>
<p>	So long as the check clears. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Looking at the first-person attempt, I&#8217;m not sure if I like it. First person usually allows for a reader to greater understand a character, but I think that giving Darken the internal monologues I often see in first-person works would seem uncharacteristic. If we can understand all of Darken&#8217;s motivations head on, then his whole &#8220;mysterious&#8221; aspect is canceled out. </p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;What do you guys think?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: NicKenny</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75622</link>
		<dc:creator>NicKenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75622</guid>
		<description>Cassandra, Good Omens was written by Neil Gaiman AND Terry Pratchett. Just making sure. I&#039;m not going to listen to any slight on TP.

Wings, this is really good. Keep writing. Darken sounds bad-ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra, Good Omens was written by Neil Gaiman AND Terry Pratchett. Just making sure. I&#8217;m not going to listen to any slight on TP.</p>
<p>Wings, this is really good. Keep writing. Darken sounds bad-ass.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75541</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75541</guid>
		<description>Catching up a bit, I agree that Good Omens was an amazing book . . . as is just about everything written by Neil Gaiman. So, I&#039;d say go for it! I also love the idea the reasoning you have between the three characters. I also think it&#039;d be good to expand this to the first chapter (first to take away from the whole &quot;prologue&quot; which can go both ways; and second, because from what I&#039;ve read so far, Darken seems to be the most interesting character. At least initially. But I&#039;ve always liked the darker characters.)

Onto your prologue: 

&quot;The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and the crackling of flames. 
Darken wove his way through smoldering debris to the building’s exit, taking care to keep his cloak from being caught on the still-burning rubble. He cursed under his breath as a new hole was ripped in the dark fabric. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume.&quot; I think this is well-written out. I especially like the comparison to their clothing. However, it wouldn&#039;t hurt to give a bit more details as to the setting. This makes it seem as if the silence had *just* been broken by the sirens and fire; however, the fire has probably been ongoing. It may be nice to show some of the hustle of the firemen or what other people are doing in the scene. 

&quot;Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child’s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken’s line of work, a liability which he couldn’t afford to keep.&quot; I really like this paragraph, especially with the moment of softness that&#039;s shown.

&quot;Darken’s priorities were slightly higher.&quot; I&#039;m curious to know what his priorities all. Good hook without being confusing or needlessly cryptic.

&quot;As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six. (You say his thoughts went back to the Six, but then say nothing about them.) Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and (curtly -- I don&#039;t know about this word choice.) set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman. Without another word he turned away from the blazing building and blended into the shadows, leaving no trace of his presence behind.&quot; 

Maybe it&#039;s the girl in me, but I love the picture of him just setting her down without being noticed and then walking away into the dark.

&quot;Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery – he (It may be good to put his name here, so we&#039;re not confused as to whether it&#039;s talking about Pathos or Darken.) always got the job done.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catching up a bit, I agree that Good Omens was an amazing book . . . as is just about everything written by Neil Gaiman. So, I&#8217;d say go for it! I also love the idea the reasoning you have between the three characters. I also think it&#8217;d be good to expand this to the first chapter (first to take away from the whole &#8220;prologue&#8221; which can go both ways; and second, because from what I&#8217;ve read so far, Darken seems to be the most interesting character. At least initially. But I&#8217;ve always liked the darker characters.)</p>
<p>Onto your prologue: </p>
<p>&#8220;The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and the crackling of flames.<br />
Darken wove his way through smoldering debris to the building’s exit, taking care to keep his cloak from being caught on the still-burning rubble. He cursed under his breath as a new hole was ripped in the dark fabric. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume.&#8221; I think this is well-written out. I especially like the comparison to their clothing. However, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to give a bit more details as to the setting. This makes it seem as if the silence had *just* been broken by the sirens and fire; however, the fire has probably been ongoing. It may be nice to show some of the hustle of the firemen or what other people are doing in the scene. </p>
<p>&#8220;Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child’s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken’s line of work, a liability which he couldn’t afford to keep.&#8221; I really like this paragraph, especially with the moment of softness that&#8217;s shown.</p>
<p>&#8220;Darken’s priorities were slightly higher.&#8221; I&#8217;m curious to know what his priorities all. Good hook without being confusing or needlessly cryptic.</p>
<p>&#8220;As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six. (You say his thoughts went back to the Six, but then say nothing about them.) Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and (curtly &#8212; I don&#8217;t know about this word choice.) set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman. Without another word he turned away from the blazing building and blended into the shadows, leaving no trace of his presence behind.&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the girl in me, but I love the picture of him just setting her down without being noticed and then walking away into the dark.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery – he (It may be good to put his name here, so we&#8217;re not confused as to whether it&#8217;s talking about Pathos or Darken.) always got the job done.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75475</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75475</guid>
		<description>Okay! Thanks! 

Since I&#039;m switching POVs in chapter 2, I&#039;ll post the rewritten 2 up with chapter 3. 

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay! Thanks! </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m switching POVs in chapter 2, I&#8217;ll post the rewritten 2 up with chapter 3. </p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75472</guid>
		<description>Hey Wings,
   I have read over all of your prologues, and I have to say that I liked your first one the best.  While it may not have been the most technical piece of writing, I like the first one because it left the reader asking alot of questions. I think that all of those question draw the reader into the story and keep the reading, which I think is the whole point of using a prologue.
   All that being said, I have to agree with B. mac&#039;s advise as far as the newest prologue is concerned. I really love the idea of Darken getting into a verbal smackdown with a firefighter. I think it would be a great chance to show, rather than tell, Darken&#039;s personality and attitude, and help establish his character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wings,<br />
   I have read over all of your prologues, and I have to say that I liked your first one the best.  While it may not have been the most technical piece of writing, I like the first one because it left the reader asking alot of questions. I think that all of those question draw the reader into the story and keep the reading, which I think is the whole point of using a prologue.<br />
   All that being said, I have to agree with B. mac&#8217;s advise as far as the newest prologue is concerned. I really love the idea of Darken getting into a verbal smackdown with a firefighter. I think it would be a great chance to show, rather than tell, Darken&#8217;s personality and attitude, and help establish his character.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: B. Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75400</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75400</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the reminder.  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and the crackling of flames.&quot;  This is passive and raises some chronological issues.  For one thing, it suggests that there is silence and then the fire just suddenly breaks out, when the rest of the page makes it sound like Darken has been here for some time already.  (Which would imply that the fire has been going on for some time).  I would recommend taking out the phrase &quot;evening silence&quot; (or at least moving it towards the end of the sentence because I think it conveys the opposite of what is happening--a major fire, a dramatic rescue, sirens wailing, etc.  
&lt;br /&gt;
I think it might help to suggest that this sort of thing is routine for Darken.  
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend adding an interesting detail about Darken to the first paragraph or two.  Something unique, preferably.  
&lt;br /&gt;
The first paragraph is better.  I think the choreography of what he&#039;s doing is clearer.  However, I think what he&#039;s doing might be more interesting if we had the interesting detail above.  Right now, it&#039;s a generic rescue mission, which is okay but maybe not as compelling as it could be.  (IE: Kickass opens with truly dark comedy, making it look like we&#039;re seeing the protagonist as he&#039;s about to fly off a building for the first time, but it&#039;s actually just a mentally ill guy that can&#039;t fly... Eww).  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume.&quot;  I think the contrast between the pink and the black is reasonably effective characterization.  However, I think it might be more memorable if we had a line from him here, maybe something along the lines of pink, singed flecks flaking off her clothes and him musing that he&#039;s going to need to see his drycleaner to get the pink out of his [type of uniform] or he&#039;s going to get confused with one of those Six clowns.  For plotting purposes, I think it&#039;d help if he differentiated himself from them sooner rather than later.  (They might get off on that bright-colored hero thing, but he knew better).  
&lt;br /&gt;
It may help to shorten the sentences early on.  I think that would intensify the action.  
&lt;br /&gt;
When he&#039;s in the burning building, I&#039;d like stronger atmospherics.  I read a story the other day about a firefighter that compared breathing smoke-filled air to drowning in cotton balls.  
&lt;br /&gt;
It may help to add a few paragraphs before cutting into the action.  Something to introduce Darken&#039;s voice/personality/mindset, hopefully.  I think those would make Darken more interesting, which would make us care more about the action.  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken’s line of work, a liability which he couldn’t afford to keep.&quot;  I think this is telling, rather than showing.  One way you might be able to show a lack of sentimentality is if he brushes off the kid&#039;s parents and/or firefighters.  They try to congratulate him and he bitches about his schedule or that he&#039;s not on the clock for mushy crap.  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Darken’s priorities were slightly higher.&quot;  First, I&#039;d recommend cutting &quot;slightly.&quot;  Go all the way: strong personalities are more compelling (and will help you differentiate him from the other POVs later).  Second, I&#039;d recommend interjecting a detail after this suggesting what his priorities are.  Maybe something like &quot;Darken had more important things on his mind. BMWs didn&#039;t pay for themselves.&quot;  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six.&quot;  This feels like an awkward and unnecessary transition.  I would recommend just saying what he&#039;s thinking about the Six rather than preface it in this fashion.  (For one thing, just saying it will give readers less time to think about plot coherence).  
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and curtly set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman.&quot;  Yeah, I think this would be an ideal moment to make him stand out.  How does Darken interact with the fireman differently than, say, Hikari or Masochist would?  
&lt;br /&gt;
Alternately, if you&#039;d like more direct conflict, maybe the firefighter confronts him because Darken is doing pretty much the same thing the firefighter does (running into a burning building and saving people) but gets paid a bajillion times more and doesn&#039;t care about the people he&#039;s helping.  Depending on how cynical Darken is, he might say something like &quot;See, that&#039;s your problem.  You care.  If you didn&#039;t care, your boss would have to pay you more.&quot;  Alternately, if Darken is super-cocky, maybe he says something like &quot;It&#039;s not my fault I&#039;m a thousand times better at it than you are.&quot;  (For that to work, it&#039;d help if we see him do something extraordinary, like kicking out a window on the tenth floor and making a sensational leap to the ground via a flag pole and a traffic light.  Right now, it doesn&#039;t seem like he does anything a fireman couldn&#039;t. 
&lt;br /&gt;
I think the fireman scene has a lot of opportunity for foreshadowing/heightening conflict between Darken and the more service-oriented Six. 
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more interesting than a mere rescue mission.
Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery – he always got the job done.&quot;  I think these two sentences could flow together better.  For one thing, they are a bit contradictory.  The second suggests that he&#039;s always professional and doesn&#039;t care about the nature of the job.  The first one suggests that he&#039;s in it for exciting work, which is a bit less consistent with what we know about him than that he&#039;s in it for the money.  It may help to change this to something like...
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building.  But he&#039;d get it done, whatever it was.  As long as the check cleared.&quot;
&lt;br /&gt;
If this book rotates between 3 POVs, I think it would help a lot if Darken&#039;s voice and perspective were more distinct, even if it means making him more distinctly obnoxious. I think the fireman sentence is a good opportunity to give him a strong personality that clearly stands out from subsequent characters.  Also, since he&#039;s the POV, the narrator could relate some of his observations about what&#039;s going on. 
&lt;br /&gt;
This chapter was definitely an improvement over the original.   
&lt;br /&gt;
...
&lt;br /&gt;
I can continue reviewing rewritten chapters, but I think it would be more productive for you to write new chapters.  I&#039;d recommend saving the rewrites until you&#039;re either done with the first draft of the manuscript or are REALLY stuck.  (You&#039;ll have to rewrite all of the chapters after completing the first draft of the manuscript, anyway, just to make sure it&#039;s all coherent).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder.<br />
<br />
&#8220;The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and the crackling of flames.&#8221;  This is passive and raises some chronological issues.  For one thing, it suggests that there is silence and then the fire just suddenly breaks out, when the rest of the page makes it sound like Darken has been here for some time already.  (Which would imply that the fire has been going on for some time).  I would recommend taking out the phrase &#8220;evening silence&#8221; (or at least moving it towards the end of the sentence because I think it conveys the opposite of what is happening&#8211;a major fire, a dramatic rescue, sirens wailing, etc.<br />
<br />
I think it might help to suggest that this sort of thing is routine for Darken.<br />
<br />
I would recommend adding an interesting detail about Darken to the first paragraph or two.  Something unique, preferably.<br />
<br />
The first paragraph is better.  I think the choreography of what he&#8217;s doing is clearer.  However, I think what he&#8217;s doing might be more interesting if we had the interesting detail above.  Right now, it&#8217;s a generic rescue mission, which is okay but maybe not as compelling as it could be.  (IE: Kickass opens with truly dark comedy, making it look like we&#8217;re seeing the protagonist as he&#8217;s about to fly off a building for the first time, but it&#8217;s actually just a mentally ill guy that can&#8217;t fly&#8230; Eww).<br />
<br />
&#8220;The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume.&#8221;  I think the contrast between the pink and the black is reasonably effective characterization.  However, I think it might be more memorable if we had a line from him here, maybe something along the lines of pink, singed flecks flaking off her clothes and him musing that he&#8217;s going to need to see his drycleaner to get the pink out of his [type of uniform] or he&#8217;s going to get confused with one of those Six clowns.  For plotting purposes, I think it&#8217;d help if he differentiated himself from them sooner rather than later.  (They might get off on that bright-colored hero thing, but he knew better).<br />
<br />
It may help to shorten the sentences early on.  I think that would intensify the action.<br />
<br />
When he&#8217;s in the burning building, I&#8217;d like stronger atmospherics.  I read a story the other day about a firefighter that compared breathing smoke-filled air to drowning in cotton balls.<br />
<br />
It may help to add a few paragraphs before cutting into the action.  Something to introduce Darken&#8217;s voice/personality/mindset, hopefully.  I think those would make Darken more interesting, which would make us care more about the action.<br />
<br />
&#8220;He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken’s line of work, a liability which he couldn’t afford to keep.&#8221;  I think this is telling, rather than showing.  One way you might be able to show a lack of sentimentality is if he brushes off the kid&#8217;s parents and/or firefighters.  They try to congratulate him and he bitches about his schedule or that he&#8217;s not on the clock for mushy crap.<br />
<br />
&#8220;Darken’s priorities were slightly higher.&#8221;  First, I&#8217;d recommend cutting &#8220;slightly.&#8221;  Go all the way: strong personalities are more compelling (and will help you differentiate him from the other POVs later).  Second, I&#8217;d recommend interjecting a detail after this suggesting what his priorities are.  Maybe something like &#8220;Darken had more important things on his mind. BMWs didn&#8217;t pay for themselves.&#8221;<br />
<br />
&#8220;As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six.&#8221;  This feels like an awkward and unnecessary transition.  I would recommend just saying what he&#8217;s thinking about the Six rather than preface it in this fashion.  (For one thing, just saying it will give readers less time to think about plot coherence).<br />
<br />
&#8220;Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and curtly set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman.&#8221;  Yeah, I think this would be an ideal moment to make him stand out.  How does Darken interact with the fireman differently than, say, Hikari or Masochist would?<br />
<br />
Alternately, if you&#8217;d like more direct conflict, maybe the firefighter confronts him because Darken is doing pretty much the same thing the firefighter does (running into a burning building and saving people) but gets paid a bajillion times more and doesn&#8217;t care about the people he&#8217;s helping.  Depending on how cynical Darken is, he might say something like &#8220;See, that&#8217;s your problem.  You care.  If you didn&#8217;t care, your boss would have to pay you more.&#8221;  Alternately, if Darken is super-cocky, maybe he says something like &#8220;It&#8217;s not my fault I&#8217;m a thousand times better at it than you are.&#8221;  (For that to work, it&#8217;d help if we see him do something extraordinary, like kicking out a window on the tenth floor and making a sensational leap to the ground via a flag pole and a traffic light.  Right now, it doesn&#8217;t seem like he does anything a fireman couldn&#8217;t.<br />
<br />
I think the fireman scene has a lot of opportunity for foreshadowing/heightening conflict between Darken and the more service-oriented Six.<br />
<br />
&#8220;Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more interesting than a mere rescue mission.<br />
Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery – he always got the job done.&#8221;  I think these two sentences could flow together better.  For one thing, they are a bit contradictory.  The second suggests that he&#8217;s always professional and doesn&#8217;t care about the nature of the job.  The first one suggests that he&#8217;s in it for exciting work, which is a bit less consistent with what we know about him than that he&#8217;s in it for the money.  It may help to change this to something like&#8230;<br />
<br />
&#8220;Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more lucrative than a kid in a burning building.  But he&#8217;d get it done, whatever it was.  As long as the check cleared.&#8221;<br />
<br />
If this book rotates between 3 POVs, I think it would help a lot if Darken&#8217;s voice and perspective were more distinct, even if it means making him more distinctly obnoxious. I think the fireman sentence is a good opportunity to give him a strong personality that clearly stands out from subsequent characters.  Also, since he&#8217;s the POV, the narrator could relate some of his observations about what&#8217;s going on.<br />
<br />
This chapter was definitely an improvement over the original.<br />
<br />
&#8230;<br />
<br />
I can continue reviewing rewritten chapters, but I think it would be more productive for you to write new chapters.  I&#8217;d recommend saving the rewrites until you&#8217;re either done with the first draft of the manuscript or are REALLY stuck.  (You&#8217;ll have to rewrite all of the chapters after completing the first draft of the manuscript, anyway, just to make sure it&#8217;s all coherent).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75396</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75396</guid>
		<description>...Anyone awake? Look, new prologue! 

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Anyone awake? Look, new prologue! </p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75294</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75294</guid>
		<description>Prologue

	The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and  the crackling of flames. Darken wove his way through smoldering debris to the building&#039;s exit, taking care to keep his cloak from being caught on the still-burning rubble. He cursed under his breath as a new hole was ripped in the dark fabric. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume. 

	Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child&#039;s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken&#039;s line of work, a liability which he couldn&#039;t afford to keep. The Six had hired him for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every cat from every tree in ____, Darken&#039;s priorities were slightly higher. 

	Still, hero work paid well. 

	As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six. Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and curtly set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman. Without another word he turned away from the blazing building and blended into the shadows, leaving no trace of his presence behind. 

	Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more interesting than a mere rescue mission. 

	Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery -  he always got the job done.

-------

Here&#039;s the rewritten prologue. I&#039;m trying to flesh out Darken&#039;s character more. Would have liked to put a line in detailing that Darken is irrationally fond of his cape, but I couldn&#039;t figure out how to work it in well.

Comments?

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prologue</p>
<p>	The evening silence was broken by the wailing of sirens and  the crackling of flames. Darken wove his way through smoldering debris to the building&#8217;s exit, taking care to keep his cloak from being caught on the still-burning rubble. He cursed under his breath as a new hole was ripped in the dark fabric. The little girl was unconscious in his arms, her singed pink pajamas a stark contrast to his black costume. </p>
<p>	Darken shifted the material of his cloak to better shield the child&#8217;s face from the smoke, his expression softening slightly. He snapped back into his aloof persona in a matter of seconds. Sentiment was a liability in Darken&#8217;s line of work, a liability which he couldn&#8217;t afford to keep. The Six had hired him for this job, nothing more. Although the superhero team probably deigned to rescue every cat from every tree in ____, Darken&#8217;s priorities were slightly higher. </p>
<p>	Still, hero work paid well. </p>
<p>	As Darken neared the exit, his thoughts wandered back to the Six. Sidestepping a burning support, he left the now completely engulfed building and curtly set the girl down in front of the nearest fireman. Without another word he turned away from the blazing building and blended into the shadows, leaving no trace of his presence behind. </p>
<p>	Perhaps Pathos would have a job for him by dawn, hopefully something more interesting than a mere rescue mission. </p>
<p>	Whatever it was – be it a rescue or a robbery &#8211;  he always got the job done.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the rewritten prologue. I&#8217;m trying to flesh out Darken&#8217;s character more. Would have liked to put a line in detailing that Darken is irrationally fond of his cape, but I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to work it in well.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wings</title>
		<link>http://www.superheronation.com/2009/03/19/wings-second-review-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-75292</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 03:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.superheronation.com/?p=2769#comment-75292</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve decided to use the 3 POVs mentioned above for TSBLAD. I am now currently rewriting chapter 2 in Masochist&#039;s POV, which might actually prove more interesting that the Hikari POV it currently has. I&#039;m also considering expanding the prologue, and maybe even making it the first chapter. 

- Wings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided to use the 3 POVs mentioned above for TSBLAD. I am now currently rewriting chapter 2 in Masochist&#8217;s POV, which might actually prove more interesting that the Hikari POV it currently has. I&#8217;m also considering expanding the prologue, and maybe even making it the first chapter. </p>
<p>- Wings</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

